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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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alone welcome to Podcast UFO for our

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is Martin Willis your host and I'm back

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in the snowy mountaintop in Maine and we

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have a couple of guests tonight first

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are we have some know who I met out in

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Phoenix her name is Lori Hines she's an

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author and she's going to be talking

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about the Native American culture and

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the star people and some ancient times

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as well I never really touched on this

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subject so it should be interesting and

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we have Stephen Bassett is going to be

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in our two before Lori we have alejandro

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rojas coming right up from open minds

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radio he's going to be sharing the UFO

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conference information that we just had

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last week it was really exciting and we

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were going to be chatting back and forth

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about that no UFO news he hasn't even

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had time to take a look well don't

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forget we have new t-shirts on our

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website and you know what I found out

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they're not real popular so I'm going to

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have new graphics done and it must be

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that I can't understand why else people

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aren't really buying them only

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supporters bought them out at the

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listeners bought them out in Phoenix and

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no one else so that kind of says that

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they're not all that good and I

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apologize for that I think they're good

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anyway so speaking of that I'm going to

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draw a name out of the ten-dollar

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supporters for a free t-shirt that you

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probably won't like so

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hang on just a minute and here we have

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Gary Oliver a ten-dollar supporter who

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wins a t-shirt I hope you like it Gary

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and I guess that's it for now and we

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have alejandro how are you I'm still

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tired I bet you who are you you did a

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beautiful job and you're a hard worker

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and it went off without a hitch when I

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was there I don't know what happened it

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must have fallen apart after I left

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luckily it did not although I'm always I

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during the conference I'm always

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stressed and thinking about you know the

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next day the next few speakers making

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sure we've got there we've checked their

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PowerPoint everything's working where

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are they I need to get them we need to

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check everything you know what are their

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what are their needs and so it's so

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hectic and you're just living cut a

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moment by moment and then just popping

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on the stage and introducing or hosting

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a panel so it's just like so stressful

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and running around and everything that

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it man it really saps you so even though

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I took the last two days off slept most

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of Monday just kind of in bed watching

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american horror story whenever I woke up

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and and so now it's like I've this is my

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first day back to the office and I'm

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still just so tired and my throat is

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still hurting but you know what luckily

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even after you left even without your

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wonderful moral support everything went

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very smoothly bob lazar luckily actually

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did show up and we were worried about

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that yeah and that all went very

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smoothly we were able to keep the public

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at bay and whisk him in and out and

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everything went well yes uh well yeah I

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want to talk a little bit about Lazar

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unfortunately I missed it while I was

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out there and you know some of the I

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gotta tell the the listening audience

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the highlights when I was out there for

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me was the listeners that came up

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and talk to me i had such a blast with

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all them and speaking of listeners i

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want to talk about sprog Sprague Ryan

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Sprague spray guy [\h__\h] bra goo because

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his room is kind of spelt like ragu with

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SP at the beginning yes I like to come

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Spragg ooh what what I gotta tell you

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what a gentleman what a nice guy he's

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awesome he is he just he was just such a

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pleasure to hang with I really really

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enjoyed him I did get to spend a little

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time with Charlie faults and what

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another nice guy he is I mean I

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forgotten what a nice gentleman he was

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and he did a great presentation he did

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his presentation was one of my favorites

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I think that's a highlight because I

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think their case is so important and so

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great in fact you know luckily we were

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able to get some video interviews with

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Jim wiener and Jack Weiner the twin

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brothers who were with him we integrated

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some of that into his talk but I have

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these hour long interviews where on my

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show I'm going to play those because

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Jack who we never hear from writes a

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really fun interesting guy and they all

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are they're just really salt of the

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earth honest regular guys and so I'm so

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excited that I'm really going to we're

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going to make a video we did more

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interviewing with Chuck bolts I want to

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really focus on this case because I want

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to bring it back and make it one of the

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primary abduction cases because it does

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rank up there with betty hill and Travis

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Walton you know I think this is an

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amazing case and so I'm going to

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continue to make a big deal out of it

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because it's it's just an incredible

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it's so mind-boggling well you have my

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support on that you know not just

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because I live here and Maine were to

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happened but because I just really

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believe in it also it's to me it's one

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of the the most solid ones and i think i

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mentioned that two or three times last

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week and hey for the listener who's

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listening also you can go to the website

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podcast UFO calm and you can see the

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video that was taken well behind the

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scenes about an hour of that podcast is

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on video on our homepage i'm going to

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leave it up there

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I want to talk about bob lazar i miss

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bob lazar but last I spoke during our

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podcast with Stan Friedman he said that

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he was going to actually bring up a few

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things during the Q&A and I just wonder

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did that happen no and and it's because

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there was the QA was only George and Bob

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and that was the deal that deal was we

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whisk in Bob George gets all of the

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questions in written form from the

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people at the conference and he asks the

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questions we actually didn't have too

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many submitted but of those several of

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them were from Stanton Friedman I was so

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busy doing this in that and especially

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during George's talk or getting ready

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for Bob Lazar and then you know I

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promised and this was a kind of funny

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behind-the-scenes for people I promised

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Bob and it was the big deal and you know

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lots of back and forth to get him in

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quietly and get him out quietly

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unmolested by or not having to interact

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with anybody with taking selfies or

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anything like that I told him that's

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what we would do and that if afterwards

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he decided you know he felt good about

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it and wanted to do some interacting he

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could do that if he wanted to but he

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didn't feel like that but it was behind

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the scenes luckily it went really

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smoothly because we came up with this

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plan on how to sneak him back there and

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get him the only people that I kind of

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had to strong arm and push out of the

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room and get out of there were speakers

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because some of the speakers snuck back

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and I won't say who one in particular

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was really upset with me for screwing up

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his selfie but I grabbed his phone and

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put it in his jacket and say yeah and he

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got really mad at me I think he's over

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it but one of the pictures made facebook

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by the way yeah there are yeah I know

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there were a couple backstage because

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then I had to yell at the crew hey quit

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taking selfies and screwing around we

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need to get this ready because I'm just

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you know in conference mode we got to

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get this going we

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I think check everything and get it

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rolling everybody so twitterpated that

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they're like okay did already George

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doesn't even have a microphone Bob's

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microphone is hanging by his leg so I'm

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like what the hell are you guys doing so

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it was a real you know just kind of a

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mess back there but luckily we got it

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all straightened out we got them on the

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stage we got them out and of course then

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everybody comes rushing to come back to

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meet him and I'm like sorry guys he's

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already on the road and out of here so

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he just wanted it that way and and

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that's what I guaranteed him so sorry to

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the speakers or two people who came back

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and wanted to get pictures or whatever I

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you know I was going to hold to my word

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and make sure that it was a seamless

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real easy in-and-out type of situation

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but luckily it was and he was very happy

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with it and I know this one of the

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speakers who was like Bob likes me and

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it was like well he was very happy that

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I kicked you out and to get a control

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thing because and he may have liked you

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know this keep older people but of

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course we had a show to put on and you

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don't have much time and you need to get

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people out there and rolling so they did

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not ask Stanton's questions from what I

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understand because I was really nervous

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checking security checking this checking

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that I didn't get a see a lot of it so

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I'm gonna have to watch the video but

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people did come up to me later and said

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they didn't ask much about the education

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stuff but people really loved it and it

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was really interesting because you know

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Bob's answers are really off the cuff

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you know they feel so genuine they feel

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like you know he really has these

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experiences however we did have a panel

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the next day that was really got kind of

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heated with Stanton and Jeremy corbel

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who interviewed bob lazar his friends

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with George Knapp and Bob Lazar and was

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defending Bob Lazar we also had a mark

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Pilkington who wrote a book and did a

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documentary on Richard Doty so there was

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heated debate about Dodie there's heated

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debate about Lazar and Stanton got to

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get in his arguments for the education

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like that so people should watch that

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panel was really good because Stanton

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got to get in his comments and Jeremy

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his retorts but it was funny was heated

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because of course I jumped in there some

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people wanted to see a debate between

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Stanton and I about Dodie and we were

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able to get a little bit of that in that

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panel so it was fun and luckily you know

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the whole group or people who really

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respect each other and and we're very

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respectful so now I just saw Richard

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Doty on Facebook reaching out to George

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a nap George naps a friend of mine on

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facebook and so it looks like who knows

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he might be coming up on coast-to-coast

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or something yeah I know George Knapp

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whenever I'm on coast-to-coast and I

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talked about Dodie often George Knapp

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will go oh I'm going to hear from him

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because I you know he's a liar and I and

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of course so I often talk about the

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different things he's lied about and

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he's admitted you know he says he's a

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disinformation I so I I just always

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cautioned we can't trust him if he says

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he's a disinformation asst and he keeps

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lying why do we try to believe

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everything things that he has to say and

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a lot of people do going back to Lazar I

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I just have a gut feeling that he the

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whole thing it has nothing to do with

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San Friedman or anyone else but right

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from the beginning when I first started

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looking into Bob Lazar claims it just

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doesn't feel right I don't know I I

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don't know if I really believe it I just

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I just don't get that warm and fuzzy

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feeling I know he's an really

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intelligent what you look for when

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verifying cases if you just get that

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warm fuzzy feeling well it helps yeah

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but you know I I see that you know he's

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an incredible speaker he's he's really

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really sharp brilliant and I but I just

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don't know I don't know you know maybe

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there are parts of it that are true but

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you know my whole feeling is that he was

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never even there that's just my feeling

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and I know last time I said this about

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him I got some hate mail and I'm ready

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for it you know well you know I'm I'm

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not well I'm always like this

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and I think some people don't like it

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I'm never a hundred percent about

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anything but I'm still on the fence with

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this one I go back and forth and George

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has very compelling arguments when it

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comes to this case and I want to really

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view George's talk and Bob lazarz a QA

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and then go from there and when I do

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that maybe we could talk more at length

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about that but I would recommend this

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isn't necessarily a sales pitch but for

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exploring this case i would recommend

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that people get the George Knapp video

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and the Q&A with Bob Lazar and the panel

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with Stanton Friedman and I think you're

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going to get a really full idea of you

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know both sides of the stories and get

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an idea for the feeling of the story and

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what Bob Lazar claims are and it was

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really funny because we did struggle and

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at one point Bob Lazar threatened to he

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said I just don't feel good about this I

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can't do it and we were like uh well

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you've already signed the contract and

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we've already sold tons of tickets for

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this so you can't back out now yeah

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that's talked about that you know I

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haven't said anything about this to

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anybody but he actually talked about

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that which I thought was hilarious he

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said something like well but I couldn't

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because they would have sued me but in a

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nice way so it would have suited me in a

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nice way yeah it was really funny that

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he brought that up which was also a

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positive thing because it just showed he

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was open and about some of this stuff

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that could be embarrassing towards him

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but that was really funny that he had

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brought that up I'm going to put a

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banner on my website so that'll just

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someone can click on write on podcast

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UFO on our home page or on the sidebar

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we can get these dvds and I'll gladly do

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that once i receive the ones for free in

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the mail from you haha i'm kidding you

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just come free i really enjoyed my

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t-shirt that you gave me of the Yoko

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podcast and and so I don't know what

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they're these people's problems are we

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sold out a tee shirts maybe it was just

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that you were there during the beginning

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of the conference and not towards the

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end where people spend their money a

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little more but thank you very much for

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the t-shirts I t-shirt I greatly enjoy

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it oh that's great well hey so next week

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we'll be back with the real news yeah

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we'll be back with some news fit fer

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radio ok alright hey you get you get

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yourself some good rests on and we'll be

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talking to you next week and it was a

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real pleasure recording with you out

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there and seeing it was it was really

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the highlight of the year especially

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when I'm have four feet of snow here

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yeah the weather out he was wonderful

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our lucky the weather held up to so it

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was a great time I think people had a

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really good time and I was so happy you

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could make it I was just so sad that I

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had to leave so yeah so was that buddy

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already i'll be talking to you next week

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all right talk to you later so hang in

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there for the music break and we'll be

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that music was by a fan of the show

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Bruce ranier thanks for that Bruce and

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welcome to the show Lori thanks Martin

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glad to be here yes it was uh we

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actually shared what we even share a

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table we were side by side on tables out

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and Phoenix and and it was a lot of fun

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sitting next to you it was an absolute

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blast and that some of the most

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interesting people at that conference

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and actually some pretty highly

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intelligent people too very well studied

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as far as conspiracy theories and you

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ask most and all that and yeah had a

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blast getting to know you and some of

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the other vendors there too okay I've

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just got a message from Keith once you

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get a little bit closer to the phone if

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you could okay all right that better it

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seems better maybe maybe it says maybe

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it's the level of you to talk a little

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bit louder I know it's awful hard when I

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ask people to do something they never

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can remember for too long but if you can

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just try to be good and clear and so

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we're going to be talking about a

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subject that I know your your books that

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you wrote they're basically fiction

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aren't they yes i have three it's a

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series called the ancient one series and

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they are fiction novels on their

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paranormal murder mysteries and they all

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take place here either in Arizona or the

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southwest of the four corners mm-hmm but

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I know you did a lot of research in the

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subject of us ate Native Americans and

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the star people and all that and that's

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that's always one of the subjects that

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kind of fascinated me you know that I've

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heard about I know at the UFO Congress

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it was a I think this first speaker

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there was was a native american and it's

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always fascinating to hear you know what

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their lore is that comes up through the

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generations the storytelling and and but

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what what type of research did you end

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up doing for your books in regards to

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this well for me it was on the only

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places that I feature and my novels are

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places but I visited

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heaven week national monument and canyon

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of the Ancients in the four corners and

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my first book one of the main settings

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or locations is Sunset Crater wupatki

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which is about 20 miles north of

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Flagstaff and that's an amazing location

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it's volcanic ruins Indian ruins things

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like that so it's absolutely beautiful

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so a lot of people say when they read

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the book for like well that really

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brings me back to the location reminds

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me of places I visited because the

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amount of detail you have so for me when

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I visit a place I visit a lot of Indian

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ruins in places like that you know

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prehistoric locations or historic so

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that I can include those in my books

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uh-huh now if you're listening live on

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the Dark Matter radio network you can

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jump over to podcast UFO calm and it's a

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real easy sign in on our chat room the

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level of attendance in our chat room has

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been down for the last few weeks I

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understand last week because I was out

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of town but so we're going to continue

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that but if the level just keep slow

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then I'm probably not going to keep

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going with it and I'm sorry to waste so

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much time on this but i thought i would

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address it if that is the case then we

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can use the twitter feed on Dark Matter

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radio net which is dark matter radio net

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which is right below the the podcast the

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live of the live player so that that

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might even be more convenient I just

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like when people go to my website I

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guess that's what it's all about and by

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the way since I'm talking about this if

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you're go to our website we do have a

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lot of blogs on there going way back

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when Michael loke used to write for us

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tons of information pages and pages of

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great blogs so if you ever bored under

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sunday or something like that go to our

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website podcast UFO calm and check out

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all the blogs there sorry for that

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infomercial Lori um so what what gets

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you started in the fascination with this

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whole this whole situation

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I with the book yeah I actually will

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actually started out doing poetry but

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that was like 20 years ago and I had

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actually had some poems published and

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then I thought you know I've always

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wanted to do a novel and so I started

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attending writers critiques group and

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started talking to published authors and

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the series itself and the subject of the

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series could say our paranormal murder

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mysteries started I was actually a

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paranormal investigator for a couple of

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groups here in Phoenix and including a

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taps family member called Sonoran

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paranormal investigations and I believe

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they're still together but some

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experiences that I had with that group

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actually got me going with the mystery

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and the series itself and it started out

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more paranormal supernatural one of the

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main characters is Joe Luna he's a

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native american he's a medicine man but

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he's also an FBI agent and there's a

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number of important characters including

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a psychic medium and her name is Lorelei

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linear so each of these characters and

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the plot progresses through out the

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whole series I see and I do have another

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book and the works following yeah it's

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my fourth book in the series on they'll

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probably be at least six and I'm looking

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to do a nonfiction book too but um the

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fourth book in the series is called a

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piece of time and it's it's kind of

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there's some fantasy elements to it

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there's a scene in Ireland I believe

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some scenes in Arizona and it's kind of

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spread throughout the Southwest like

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some of the other novels are so it's

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there should be at least six but the

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fourth one still needs to be edited and

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that I've already started on some ideas

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for the fifth one as well and that one

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oh go ahead no well the one you said

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that's nonfiction what's that what is

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your idea on that one so about what I'm

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still trying to figure out probably

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something tying into native american

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history and maybe even star children

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that kind of thing because um there is a

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belief many Native Americans and not

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just native americans believe that we

537
00:24:32,669 --> 00:24:31,150
have very strong ties to the stars that

538
00:24:34,899 --> 00:24:32,679
were made of Stardust and things like

539
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:34,909
that a lot of people people leave dad

540
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:38,330
so not quite sure I have a friend in the

541
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:40,190
Laguna Pueblo I was up there and he

542
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:41,570
showed me around and told me a lot about

543
00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:44,450
history and I think he's really wanting

544
00:24:48,849 --> 00:24:46,940
to wanting me to write a book about the

545
00:24:50,499 --> 00:24:48,859
Pueblo is up there there's 19 different

546
00:24:53,379 --> 00:24:50,509
Pueblo so that would actually be pretty

547
00:24:55,749 --> 00:24:53,389
interesting oh yeah yeah an

548
00:24:58,389 --> 00:24:55,759
astrophysicist will tell you that we are

549
00:25:01,570 --> 00:24:58,399
all made of Stardust basically all the

550
00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:01,580
elements came from a you know from

551
00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:05,479
supernovas that you know so everything

552
00:25:09,489 --> 00:25:07,460
that we see everything that we are is

553
00:25:13,389 --> 00:25:09,499
it's pretty amazingly when you look at

554
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:13,399
it that way but as far as the thing that

555
00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:16,190
I was fascinated me was the lore that

556
00:25:22,509 --> 00:25:19,340
goes back for I think it goes back for

557
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:22,519
you know hundreds of generations so that

558
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:25,129
they can I don't know how far back they

559
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:29,090
can document but still that we came from

560
00:25:33,639 --> 00:25:32,690
the stars this is Native American and

561
00:25:35,499 --> 00:25:33,649
yeah and it's a pretty interesting

562
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:35,509
subject because when you think about I

563
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:38,450
started studying prehistory probably

564
00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:40,549
like about five years ago and that that

565
00:25:44,469 --> 00:25:42,200
kind of detail worked its way into my

566
00:25:46,299 --> 00:25:44,479
books as far as for example if a

567
00:25:48,639 --> 00:25:46,309
character was walking around and since

568
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,649
that crater would [\h__\h] homology ruins

569
00:25:52,419 --> 00:25:50,720
here in Arizona the kind of potsherds

570
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:52,429
they would see on the ground they would

571
00:25:56,529 --> 00:25:54,200
mention petroglyph for pictographs they

572
00:25:58,269 --> 00:25:56,539
were seeing and maybe kind of touch on

573
00:26:01,299 --> 00:25:58,279
prehistory so that's kind of how it

574
00:26:03,099 --> 00:26:01,309
works its way into the books but some

575
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:03,109
cultures here in Arizona are the

576
00:26:10,419 --> 00:26:07,129
ancestral Pueblo mogy on segawa all very

577
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:10,429
fascinating cultures from that time and

578
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:12,529
we're talking maybe late bc into the ad

579
00:26:17,349 --> 00:26:15,769
era somehow long disappeared enough for

580
00:26:19,769 --> 00:26:17,359
a lot of people they still consider it a

581
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:19,779
great mystery that's why a lot of these

582
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:23,330
tribes or cultures disappeared but I

583
00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:24,830
think a lot of people believe it was

584
00:26:30,219 --> 00:26:27,590
just migrations yeah lot of it had to do

585
00:26:32,619 --> 00:26:30,229
with them there a lot of the speculation

586
00:26:35,649 --> 00:26:32,629
on that has to do with drought you know

587
00:26:40,659 --> 00:26:35,659
drought and in growing seasons and you

588
00:26:44,529 --> 00:26:40,669
know I mean some of these beautiful sort

589
00:26:47,469 --> 00:26:44,539
of societal cities that are you know in

590
00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:47,479
ruins they can't understand how so many

591
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,780
people could have left there and

592
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,360
vanished but a lot of times they will

593
00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:54,000
just it will just be related to you know

594
00:27:00,560 --> 00:26:57,870
say something like a drought exactly in

595
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,570
some cases it was um archaeologists used

596
00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:02,520
to think that it was all drought or a

597
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,350
lot of people all of what archaeologists

598
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,760
and surveyors and researchers were

599
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,980
saying it was drought and now these days

600
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:09,720
a lot of say a lot of them are saying it

601
00:27:12,770 --> 00:27:11,130
depends on the site it depends on the

602
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,780
culture and a lot of cases it could have

603
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,520
been a political instability and

604
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,100
probably was as you had other cultures

605
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,720
and other tribes moving into the area

606
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:21,600
and as you mentioned and a lot of pieces

607
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,280
they had they had no choice but to move

608
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:25,740
on they had no resources no water you

609
00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:28,130
know they had to do those migrations and

610
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:30,390
I've talked to people at the UFO

611
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,070
conference and other people who believe

612
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,740
it's a huge mystery I I've talked to

613
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:36,480
people who believe that you know the

614
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:37,860
Native Americans were returned to the

615
00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:39,870
Stars where they came from you know

616
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,540
spaceship yes spacious literally came

617
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:44,580
and took them on and Mesa Verde there's

618
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,770
a site I'm I didn't see it when I

619
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,900
visited there but I'm not sure it's off

620
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,460
the main trail but there's supposedly a

621
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:52,740
huge round rock it's just big enough for

622
00:27:57,770 --> 00:27:56,100
UFO to land on and some people actually

623
00:28:00,530 --> 00:27:57,780
and there was a native american woman

624
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,540
that took a tour of unleaded Torf people

625
00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:02,880
out to that side and she mentioned that

626
00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:04,470
you know it's big enough for you a photo

627
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:07,560
land on so it actually landed and then

628
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:09,630
took them back up to the stars and I

629
00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:11,190
actually met some people the UFO

630
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:12,870
conference that thought that would be

631
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:17,370
the case huh well I know dr. Lin cat I

632
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:20,790
was there at the conference and when I

633
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,250
had her on the show I don't know year

634
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:25,620
and a half ago she had done some

635
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:27,810
research into the Native American

636
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:32,640
cultures in regards to you know UFOs and

637
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:35,490
their stories that were passed down and

638
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:38,760
she said that somewhere in the desert

639
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:41,430
around there in the Phoenix area they

640
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,240
were like the drawings on rocks not in

641
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:47,760
caves or something that actually like a

642
00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:51,210
triangle like the Phoenix lights have

643
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:53,070
you ever heard of anything like that

644
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,610
around there not as far as a triangle

645
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,740
I've come across in my research there's

646
00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:01,360
a picture of two UFOs

647
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,220
other and there's actually a Navajo or

648
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:05,230
DNA mess behind it and I kind of

649
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:06,429
mentioned this briefly in my

650
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:09,010
presentation sometimes but there's a

651
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:11,380
myth that one UFO came down broke down

652
00:29:16,289 --> 00:29:14,590
was on earth and then another just like

653
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:16,299
it came down and rescued and now there's

654
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,920
a whole mix behind it it's like two or

655
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:20,799
three pages of mythology behind that but

656
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:23,320
that's you know kind of the just behind

657
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:26,290
it and you do see a lot of rock art here

658
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:28,990
of what people call aunt people and

659
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:31,030
there's debate some people you talk to

660
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:34,390
including the UFOs and theorists will

661
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:36,220
say well they actually the Native

662
00:29:41,549 --> 00:29:38,460
Americans actually had they saw these

663
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,559
UFOs they saw these aliens and that's

664
00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:44,080
why these drawings or petroglyphs and

665
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:46,419
pictographs are on the rocks and on the

666
00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:50,740
panels and some people including Hopi

667
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:54,340
there's a myth called the ant people and

668
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:56,200
the ant people actually took the Hopi

669
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:57,880
underground and taught them the merits

670
00:30:02,340 --> 00:29:59,830
of food storage and sustenance and

671
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:02,350
actually saved them from starvation so

672
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,710
is it that they saw UFOs or that it's

673
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:07,570
related to their mythology of the amp

674
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:10,690
you know the ant people maybe it's some

675
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:12,850
of both I mean I have no doubt that they

676
00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:15,880
lined up seeing UFOs southern mom

677
00:30:20,909 --> 00:30:18,040
probably did considering how many

678
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:20,919
sightings we have today was there more

679
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:23,799
back then so it's pretty interesting

680
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:25,290
when you do see a lot of the rock art

681
00:30:31,049 --> 00:30:28,650
yes yeah I really don't think I'm I

682
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:31,059
really don't think the time element has

683
00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:34,210
much to do with UFO sightings you know

684
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:36,309
everyone you know the skeptics or

685
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:38,860
DeMocker sore a lot of people say oh

686
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:41,080
yeah this whole thing started in 1947

687
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,929
you know and Roswell and you know was

688
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:46,720
all because of you know people went

689
00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:50,559
crazy over the media and everything and

690
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:53,980
but I you know if you look hard enough

691
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:56,380
you can find the possibility of

692
00:30:59,970 --> 00:30:57,850
sightings a lot of it's not very clear

693
00:31:01,650 --> 00:30:59,980
you know there's there's something out

694
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:01,660
there people are talking about Alexander

695
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:04,890
the Great how do you fo sighting but

696
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:07,990
that was you know basically debunked

697
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:09,820
because that was just something that was

698
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:13,120
made up in 1952 in a book or something

699
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:15,010
like that so

700
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,870
it is really hard to research things

701
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:22,000
like this and especially when it goes

702
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:25,740
into history and the written word and

703
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:27,850
what's out there you know the cave

704
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:32,920
drawings and are ancient and are very

705
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:36,070
intriguing all the different figures and

706
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:38,470
then there are aunt like people i don't

707
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:39,730
know if that has anything to do with it

708
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:42,760
but there are aunt looking people on

709
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:45,460
some of those rocks all they're really

710
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:49,960
intriguing onion-like nevada and utah

711
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:52,600
supposedly helped a lot of that on its

712
00:31:56,670 --> 00:31:55,420
really all over the world to and a lot

713
00:31:59,010 --> 00:31:56,680
of people do look at that and here

714
00:32:00,900 --> 00:31:59,020
that's evidence that they saw UFOs and

715
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:00,910
as you mentioned as far as the time

716
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:02,770
patient I'm sure they did i'm sure a lot

717
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:04,360
of them did it just didn't just start

718
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:07,540
with roswell that might be one of the

719
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:10,090
major recorded event but it you know it

720
00:32:13,650 --> 00:32:12,580
had was started long before that yeah i

721
00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:13,660
think there was someone at the

722
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:16,180
conference some cheryl Costa that

723
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:18,130
actually came up to me when we were

724
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:20,530
sitting together and said you know she

725
00:32:26,610 --> 00:32:23,380
wanted to be on the show 200 years of

726
00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:26,620
UFOs and New York I do I am interested

727
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:29,800
in that so I would like to have a run

728
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:31,870
and I was thinking about having to New

729
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:34,210
York people on at the same time coming

730
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:39,790
up in a show soon but yeah I think the

731
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:42,940
whole thing is you know speculation but

732
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:48,040
still it's fascinating do you have any

733
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:50,950
did you actually interview any Native

734
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:53,740
American people directly or was this

735
00:33:00,150 --> 00:32:57,340
just other types of research I have

736
00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:00,160
talked casually like I had my own radio

737
00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:04,120
show called under the surface and I did

738
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:05,790
interview a lot of Native Americans

739
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:08,290
mostly from the southwest but I think I

740
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:10,060
did I might have had a Cherokee personal

741
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:13,150
and Lakota on the people like that but

742
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:14,380
most of them were from the southwest

743
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:17,350
because the events I attend our art

744
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:19,450
festivals here in the southwest but um

745
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,730
we never really got into discussion as

746
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:23,200
far as the UFOs usually was more

747
00:33:28,790 --> 00:33:26,830
prehistory but some of them do believe

748
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,800
you know that there are

749
00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:30,480
as far as the mythology to the ant

750
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:32,520
people and things like that and the

751
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,190
research I've done some people I've

752
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:38,100
talked to they do think that the ant

753
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:39,780
people that you see on the rocks could

754
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:42,750
tie back to the mythology and when I

755
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:44,520
talk to some UFO people are like oh no

756
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:45,810
that's just indicates they've actually

757
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:49,650
seen aliens and and maybe it's some of

758
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:54,000
those uh-huh one of the things you hear

759
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:55,890
a lot and actually I heard people

760
00:34:02,300 --> 00:33:58,890
talking at the conference about this is

761
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:02,310
is kind of like the mystery of of

762
00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:06,030
ancient life and you know the discovery

763
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:08,340
of people are talking about oh there's

764
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:12,650
you know Roman artifacts found in and

765
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:17,370
somewhere in the Americas or things like

766
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,730
that what do you think about all that do

767
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,560
you have an opinion on on the

768
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:25,200
possibility that you know we were

769
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:28,410
visited by other countries way you know

770
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:29,570
that weren't supposed to be here

771
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,450
pre-columbian oh it's so interesting is

772
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:34,980
one of the things I talk about in the

773
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:37,470
presentations is cranial deformation and

774
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,810
if anybody's ever watched ancient aliens

775
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,179
which I'm sure a lot of your listeners

776
00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:44,460
probably have that's something I worked

777
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:47,100
into the talks and the Mayans were very

778
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:49,140
heavy into cranial deformation as

779
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:53,850
whereas as well as the Germanic Huns and

780
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,070
other cold Aegon ancestral Pueblo and

781
00:35:02,060 --> 00:34:58,980
there's evidence of the Hohokam people

782
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,070
here in Phoenix there's been skull found

783
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:04,740
that they think the reason for these

784
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:07,170
deformations is to kind of prey to alien

785
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:09,450
gods they or because of sightings

786
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:11,850
they've had in things like that the

787
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:14,040
Mayans in particular and a lot of cases

788
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,230
their d forms because the one and put

789
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:19,050
them put their babies and and these

790
00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:21,450
cradle boards and working in the fields

791
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,190
and things like that so after time their

792
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,920
skulls get deformed but the Mayans

793
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:27,420
actually had deliberate skull

794
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:30,210
deformation it was it was like a major

795
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:33,090
cultural thing and when one of the

796
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:35,340
Spanish explorers actually asked one of

797
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,260
the minds why do you do this they said

798
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:39,720
quote this is done because our ancestors

799
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:41,830
were told by the gods

800
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:44,590
that if our heads would thus formed we

801
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:46,810
should appear noble and handsome and

802
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:49,900
better able to bear burdens when you

803
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:51,670
consider the size of the skull that kind

804
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:54,970
of makes sense so I mean there is I

805
00:36:01,080 --> 00:35:56,380
don't know if I necessarily agree with

806
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:01,090
the actual alien pie in stats just the

807
00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:02,650
size of the skull better able to bear

808
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:04,780
burdens and make them they actually

809
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:07,210
consider to make it more attractive have

810
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:10,410
you ever heard of the lloyd pye sauce

811
00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:16,210
Starchild skull yes actually i did i

812
00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:18,340
tried to get ahold of someone from that

813
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:20,920
experiment who are from that project to

814
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:22,230
be on my show and I never heard that

815
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:24,790
yeah Lloyd passed away I think it was

816
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:27,490
two years ago now or so somewhere around

817
00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:30,130
there and I'm curious to find out what

818
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:34,120
what the status is of that it's kind of

819
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:37,150
funny for some reason that show i did

820
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:40,090
with lloyd pye is my absolute number one

821
00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:42,970
listen to show it's still it's still

822
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:46,120
getting thousands of listening listens I

823
00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:50,470
don't know exactly why that but I guess

824
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:52,060
there's a lot of people interested in

825
00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:55,420
that and in particular that skull is

826
00:37:01,680 --> 00:36:58,120
very very puzzling it's almost beyond

827
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:01,690
deformity yeah it's pretty interesting

828
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:03,550
compared to like you know like I was

829
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:04,870
just talking about the normal cranial

830
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:09,130
deformation and stuff like that and it's

831
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,810
sort of like the Starchild a lot of

832
00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:12,400
people I dog to say what is that what is

833
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:14,980
the Starchild but there's so much more

834
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:18,100
beyond that I mean star chosen I can

835
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:19,540
send a way all of us the star children

836
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,750
but there's a purpose for star children

837
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:24,880
that and I'm sure you know this problem

838
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:26,170
is touched on during your interview with

839
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:27,820
him but there's a reason and that star

840
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:30,520
children are here supposedly to make the

841
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:34,150
planet better and stronger we've got so

842
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:38,220
many wars going on and it's just I mean

843
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:41,740
it's it's really scary in my opinion the

844
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,650
direction we're heading and four star

845
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:46,000
children there's different levels of

846
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,650
starch Mulder and a lot of sight she

847
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:48,880
belong will say there's three different

848
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,180
types rainbow and crystal and indigo

849
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:54,640
being the three main types but I've

850
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:55,770
actually talked to pee

851
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,290
bull who had two different categories to

852
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:00,240
that platinum and diamonds who are the

853
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:03,570
newer versions of star children and one

854
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:05,010
of these people and I've talked to other

855
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,540
people as well that can actually they

856
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:09,060
have the ability to download languages

857
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:10,890
from alien species they'll just find

858
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:13,350
themselves talking these specific

859
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:15,570
languages and I'm sure in some cases

860
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:19,470
it's totally fake but this one woman I

861
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,570
know she's highly intelligent and just

862
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:23,220
the fact that she can do that and I

863
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:24,630
think I met somebody else at the UFO

864
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,330
Congress to that either said they need

865
00:38:30,350 --> 00:38:29,160
somebody that did that and it might have

866
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:30,360
been somebody at the conference

867
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,690
themselves but it's pretty fascinating

868
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:35,400
what's happening and the abilities that

869
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:38,250
these star children have I mean some of

870
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:41,910
them can even contact extraterrestrials

871
00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:46,290
and called at the UFOs to earn their

872
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:50,070
telepathic they can levitate and they

873
00:38:54,830 --> 00:38:52,440
actually let them have physical

874
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:54,840
characteristics like that of an actual

875
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:56,550
alien there their skulls of the big

876
00:39:00,860 --> 00:38:58,770
skulls they have a large almond-shaped

877
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:00,870
eyes and in my fourth book I actually

878
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:03,530
develop a character she's a star child

879
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:07,050
based on that description kind of where

880
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:08,790
where are these descriptions coming from

881
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:12,390
Oh as far as the start or they

882
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:13,830
supposedly well the physical

883
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:17,370
characteristics there's there's

884
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:18,990
different sites I've looked on and they

885
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:20,850
all you know kind of share the same

886
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,830
characteristics may think because they

887
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,420
are star children and they do have that

888
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,700
ability a lot of them are said to look

889
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:28,320
just like that and I've kind of seen

890
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:31,980
pictures of some I think a lot of them

891
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:33,930
just looks like normal children it's

892
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,270
just they have those they have

893
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:38,760
extrasensory abilities they they're just

894
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,280
remarkable and what they can do

895
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,140
particularly calling aliens to the plan

896
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,300
at being able to communicate with aliens

897
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:47,880
I don't know if that necessarily means

898
00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:49,830
they're being abducted I don't think so

899
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:51,380
i think it's on a whole different level

900
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:54,030
but there's some remarkable abilities

901
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,250
being able to walk by you know i

902
00:40:00,260 --> 00:39:58,320
actually have a friend in roswell that

903
00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:00,270
took a test there's test you can take to

904
00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:02,670
determine if you're a star child I'm not

905
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,670
necessarily you know i'm not i wouldn't

906
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,980
call that scientific evidence but i

907
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:09,780
talked to people who say that

908
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,750
they can walk by light bulbs and on the

909
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,220
street lamps and things like that and

910
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:16,740
they'll explode and there's that's

911
00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:18,060
supposed to be a main thing as well a

912
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:19,620
main characteristic I've heard a lot of

913
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,540
people say that I always wanted to be

914
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,520
able to do that thank you that would be

915
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:25,680
kind of cool I've never been able to do

916
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:28,830
that you know one of the things that

917
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:30,990
getting back to the Native American

918
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:33,960
culture and the Hopi I believe it's the

919
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,090
Hopi that have Kachina dolls yeah yeah

920
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,700
and what what is uh what is the story

921
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,680
behind the Kachina doll so I've heard

922
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,420
people some people say it has something

923
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:47,700
to do it you know star people or

924
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:51,300
something like that but but I don't even

925
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,630
know what the background is on that well

926
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:56,220
I'm kind of still studying a lot of the

927
00:41:01,070 --> 00:40:57,510
culture I've been studying is just

928
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,080
Navajo and some Hopi but the changes are

929
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:04,800
essentially gods and they kind of

930
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:06,570
returned to the different nouns and some

931
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:08,670
different areas here in Arizona and they

932
00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:11,220
are considered yes to be from the stars

933
00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:14,340
very very spiritual beings and they're

934
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:17,360
tied into the daily lives at the Hopi

935
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:20,580
uh-huh and and these some of these

936
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:23,430
examples I'm being in the you know fine

937
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:25,800
arts and antiques I've handled pretty

938
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:29,220
early Kachina dolls a pan they've been

939
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:32,370
around for a long time I don't know when

940
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:36,060
the tradition started but but but there

941
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:38,060
some of them are absolutely beautiful

942
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:40,980
and it said like if the Navajo do have

943
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:44,220
versions of Kachina dolls but the Hopi

944
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,930
or said to be the real authentic thing

945
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:47,880
and it's not like the Navajo I'm going

946
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:49,710
to make some remarkable looking ones too

947
00:41:55,850 --> 00:41:54,120
but I believe what the Hopi I think it

948
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:55,860
starts like with the with the children

949
00:42:00,320 --> 00:41:57,750
when they're babies i think the Kachinas

950
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:00,330
kind of tied in with that and was

951
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,240
helping them develop and it kind of ties

952
00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:06,180
into the children to say well more so

953
00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:07,860
though the little girls and little

954
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,590
babies that are born I'm so kind of

955
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:12,720
starts with that but yes then that goes

956
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:15,810
back quite a ways now does any of your

957
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:18,750
research or any of this go into Mexico

958
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:21,690
itself or is it all like basically in

959
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:24,440
the in the states

960
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,630
mostly in the States but I've done like

961
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:29,040
his first that when I mentioned the

962
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:30,990
cranial deformation it kind of ties back

963
00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:33,990
to the Mayans and I've done some

964
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:36,120
studying as far as Mesoamerica because

965
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:39,090
there was talk of traders that went back

966
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:41,850
and forth from they were kind of elite

967
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:43,830
merchant military class and they went

968
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:45,630
back and forth they were traders between

969
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:48,660
Mesoamerica and made the Chaco Canyon

970
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:50,930
area four corners and things like that

971
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:56,070
mm-hmm I was thinking of some of the

972
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,390
tomb shaft figures that come out are

973
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:02,640
really really bizarre talk about alien

974
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:04,200
looking you never see too much about

975
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:07,110
that either on TV or anything or ancient

976
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,270
aliens I don't know if I ever I haven't

977
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:11,700
watched a whole lot of that but I've

978
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:13,310
never really seen some of these

979
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:17,220
pre-columbian figures that are you know

980
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:21,660
there's also the trying to remember that

981
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:26,310
the sort of of Chinese looking and that

982
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:27,960
there's a name for that just slips my

983
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:31,470
mind right now but there was these were

984
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:34,770
dug up for you know 2,000 years old in

985
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:37,290
these tombs shafts by usually by farmers

986
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:40,050
in the Mexican fields would dig these

987
00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:41,700
figures up but talk about looking like

988
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:43,470
aliens they should have more pictures of

989
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:45,090
those out there have you ever do you

990
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:46,410
understand what I'm talking about these

991
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,630
these are clay figures now I have to

992
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:53,760
figure I know I'd have to do research on

993
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,170
that I don't know anything about those I

994
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,640
mean I know there are similar symbols

995
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:59,700
like when you hear information about the

996
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:00,930
feathered serpent and things like that

997
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:04,440
associated with me so America there's a

998
00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:09,060
village paquimé in Mesoamerica and you

999
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:11,550
would actually see similar symbols found

1000
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:14,190
in [\h__\h] me in Chaco Canyon and things

1001
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,950
like that there's similar statues and

1002
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,180
similar symbols that would be found

1003
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:19,980
between both villages so I know there's

1004
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,330
been a lot of question is to migrations

1005
00:44:29,090 --> 00:44:26,460
and the type of people lived in azle

1006
00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:29,100
America land their migrations into Chaco

1007
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:32,340
Canyon and into that area yeah we always

1008
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,130
think of the border of between the u.s.

1009
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,680
in Mexico but you know

1010
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:39,540
you go back out a couple thousand years

1011
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:41,610
well actually just a few hundred years

1012
00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:44,070
and it wasn't you know it wasn't there

1013
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:46,350
so that's that's kind of where that that

1014
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:53,100
came from anyway what are some other

1015
00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:55,320
things that when you were doing your

1016
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,630
research that you've uncovered as far as

1017
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:00,420
like the stories of the Native American

1018
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:04,890
stories in relation to you know the star

1019
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,450
children I'll see well imma star star

1020
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,040
children I've just been doing a lot of

1021
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,920
research on their abilities the types of

1022
00:45:18,830 --> 00:45:16,170
star children may be their physical

1023
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:18,840
characteristics most i believe just

1024
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:20,670
looks fairly normal i think they're

1025
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,660
already exceptions i must come across

1026
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:26,880
some Navajo mythology one of the main

1027
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:29,850
locations and the second book and I

1028
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:32,220
think it's mentioned and some of the

1029
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:33,960
other books after that is part of the

1030
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:37,650
series is Shiprock peak and there's

1031
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:39,210
certain mythology and legend behind

1032
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:41,580
Shiprock peak as well as a lot of other

1033
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:45,000
sacred sites in particular to the star

1034
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,110
children I don't know if that

1035
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,000
necessarily right necessarily relates

1036
00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:50,640
back to the star children but Shiprock

1037
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:52,350
peak is actually said some of these

1038
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,180
sites are actually said to have UFO

1039
00:45:59,090 --> 00:45:56,220
bases underneath and that's one of them

1040
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:59,100
I was doing a signing in Flagstaff and I

1041
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:01,470
can't remember she was Navajo or Hopi or

1042
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:04,410
if he said but um he mentioned it he's

1043
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:05,490
like did you know they were actually

1044
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:09,390
UFOs under Shiprock Pete and I know it's

1045
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:12,030
all changing Mexico I think a lot of

1046
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:13,970
people know about that one that was

1047
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:17,550
supposedly a base as well and Shiprock

1048
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:20,670
peak is a very strong location you just

1049
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:21,960
type it in and you get all kinds of

1050
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,490
pretty fascinating information that

1051
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:25,740
comes up about it and they're supposedly

1052
00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:27,690
ley lines associated with a Shiprock

1053
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:29,670
peak and things like that as well so

1054
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:33,240
it's a very interesting location a very

1055
00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:35,250
high energy location some people think

1056
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:37,350
Sedona Arizona is a pretty high energy

1057
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:40,710
association but to me which it is but

1058
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:43,800
Shiprock peak kind of blows that way you

1059
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:47,190
just drive up to it and the energy you

1060
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:48,810
feel I mean you can actually feel the

1061
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:51,090
humming and the energy behind it now

1062
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:51,510
just

1063
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,310
I mean there's a UFO base underneath no

1064
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:56,280
not necessarily but my husband and I

1065
00:47:01,520 --> 00:46:58,530
visited their ex husband about 20 years

1066
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,530
ago and he decided to relieve himself on

1067
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:04,260
the base of Shiprock and all of a sudden

1068
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:06,390
a woman's voice I know yeah if I was

1069
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:08,190
just lookin like you're nuts and all of

1070
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:09,990
a sudden a woman's voice just rang out

1071
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:12,030
and there was no one around no cars this

1072
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,740
is this is like the middle of the

1073
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,300
reservation out there kind of I mean

1074
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:16,920
it's getting a little bit more developed

1075
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:19,710
but all of a sudden a woman's voice rang

1076
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:22,230
out and she just redid her singing and

1077
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:24,060
it sounds like an older woman but you

1078
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:25,290
know it's kind of a little hard to tell

1079
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:27,930
but people get the shivers on I told him

1080
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:29,190
that he looked at me and he's like you

1081
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:31,350
know I think I should have done yeah

1082
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:35,640
that'll stop him so people laugh when I

1083
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,020
tell them that even matter their eyes

1084
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:38,880
get really big or like your ex-husband

1085
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:42,360
wasn't that bright was the other oh that

1086
00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:45,030
was a very interesting experience that

1087
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,430
like that really was yeah you know I

1088
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:50,520
think there is something to these of

1089
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:55,020
these places in regards to some type of

1090
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,910
energy I mean there's a lot of things

1091
00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:59,520
that just don't make any sense as far as

1092
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,520
you know the say the paranormal activity

1093
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:05,640
in a certain area you know and it just

1094
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:07,590
it just really makes you wonder you know

1095
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:10,830
with a lot of times it comes up the

1096
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:12,750
skinwalker ranch and I just heard from

1097
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:15,930
George nap today that you know hopefully

1098
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:18,330
in May I'm sorry in March he's going to

1099
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,360
be on our show and talk about that you

1100
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:23,280
know that that fascinates me and there's

1101
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,690
so many things that were going on there

1102
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:27,440
and you know I know that's north of

1103
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:30,810
northwest of Phoenix by many hundreds of

1104
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:33,120
miles but you know that's just all

1105
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:35,850
fascinates me yeah that's it that was a

1106
00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:37,830
fascinating location it was all kind of

1107
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:39,860
adjusting stuff going on at that place

1108
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:44,010
yeah UFO sightings for many years and

1109
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:45,630
their native american cultures all

1110
00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:49,020
around there as well yeah and then

1111
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:50,820
there's all kinds of like I think cattle

1112
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:52,590
mutilations were involved in that and

1113
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,500
you know UFOs and skinwalker yeah yeah

1114
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:57,900
and keep going there's like trip toys

1115
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:02,640
and Bigfoot and large wolves and dogs

1116
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:04,920
and yeah boy I mean just so much stuff

1117
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,190
you

1118
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,400
it just seems like a a science-fiction

1119
00:49:12,859 --> 00:49:10,440
movie you know the things that people

1120
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:12,869
were reporting there and you know there

1121
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,030
were people that were taking some

1122
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:18,720
serious scientific study there after Bob

1123
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,230
Bigelow you know bought the ranch and

1124
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,700
you know they really looked into things

1125
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:26,040
that were really happening but

1126
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,609
unexplainable still and of course

1127
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:30,720
everyone wants to know about evidence

1128
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:34,020
that's always the tough part a lot of

1129
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:35,400
people i think thought that that was

1130
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:38,369
drummed up and a lot of mistake and i

1131
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,900
met the family suppose we only lived

1132
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,579
there for two two and a half years and

1133
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,839
then moved out because the amount of

1134
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:45,000
stuff going on but yeah they couldn't

1135
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:49,530
take it anymore yes it's pretty heavy

1136
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:52,410
duty if all that is true so right now

1137
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:53,970
there any other places that you're aware

1138
00:49:59,839 --> 00:49:57,089
about you said is it Sonoma know what

1139
00:50:02,480 --> 00:49:59,849
was the name of it oh the pizza's

1140
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:02,490
Shiprock teeth yeah there any other

1141
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:05,450
places like that that you're aware of

1142
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:09,240
that she visitor well that's as far as

1143
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:11,010
all the ones all of them were kind of

1144
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:14,970
spiritual to me they just because I have

1145
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:17,790
you know I've had my approved in their

1146
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:19,890
past lives as a Native American a lot of

1147
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,460
course a lot of people have it's you

1148
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,079
know that's no surprise a lot of people

1149
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:28,079
feel they have ties to Native American

1150
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,230
pass some have had many so for me to

1151
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:33,720
visit Indian ruins petroglyphs and

1152
00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:36,359
things like that are very spiritual very

1153
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:39,150
important when I go to national parks

1154
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,680
which a lot of the locations in the

1155
00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:43,680
books our national parks or BLM land

1156
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,950
things like that it's pretty much to

1157
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:49,440
Chaco Canyon is an amazing place mm-hmm

1158
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,020
and I've talked to there's a geologist

1159
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,500
author friend that you know she she

1160
00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:57,000
feels she has ties to a lot of these

1161
00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:59,250
places as well and Stonehenge she said

1162
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:00,630
my thing she said Stonehenge was the

1163
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:03,089
most powerful place for her so I think

1164
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:04,890
for each person it's different but for

1165
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:08,010
me I by making an effort to visit Indian

1166
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:10,290
ruins and I prefer to visit more remote

1167
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:12,329
locations like them in the four corners

1168
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:14,900
on the border of Colorado and Utah was

1169
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:17,430
both hub and wheat National Monument and

1170
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:18,390
canyon at the

1171
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,339
agency kind of it's interesting because

1172
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,079
you've got national park land that kind

1173
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:25,260
of crosses over with BLM land or the

1174
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:26,970
bureau of land management but there's

1175
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:30,059
some amazing just hundreds and hundreds

1176
00:51:34,579 --> 00:51:31,380
of sites some of which are still

1177
00:51:37,009 --> 00:51:34,589
undiscovered and just amazing sights up

1178
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:37,019
there the one that's a cover it's on the

1179
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,690
cover of my third book is part of canyon

1180
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:41,700
of the Ancients and it's called painted

1181
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,339
hand Pueblo and it's a cool little site

1182
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,960
it's kind of like a steep trail that

1183
00:51:49,819 --> 00:51:48,480
goes down to it but it's not a long-lost

1184
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,829
just kind of walk around some of the

1185
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:52,380
ruins and then go back up but that's

1186
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,210
just one of the many many sites there

1187
00:51:59,240 --> 00:51:56,880
that's that you can explore its you

1188
00:52:03,319 --> 00:51:59,250
could spend years out there exploring

1189
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:03,329
Wow well I was some oh I don't know in

1190
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:07,849
my 20s or so I went to four corners and

1191
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:10,890
there was something really i mean i felt

1192
00:52:14,539 --> 00:52:12,390
like i had to get the heck out of there

1193
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,549
I don't know there was a really weird

1194
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:18,079
area I don't know how else to explain

1195
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:21,990
the feeling I had you know probably

1196
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,400
nothing paranormal at all but I was it

1197
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:29,099
just kind of a negative feeling yeah yes

1198
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:31,890
it was it was like get out of here

1199
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:34,890
something you know felt like yep almost

1200
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:37,710
like there was some type of danger so we

1201
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,930
have just a minute or so left do you

1202
00:52:44,779 --> 00:52:42,960
have you do have a website right um yes

1203
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:44,789
my books three books that are out now

1204
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:47,640
are on Amazon both in print and ebook

1205
00:52:53,059 --> 00:52:49,980
but yeah I do have a site on bird press

1206
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:53,069
and you can either go WordPress and just

1207
00:53:01,249 --> 00:52:56,730
type in my name or LH my initials for

1208
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:01,259
Lori Hines author a utho our wordpress

1209
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:03,390
com and that will take you right to my

1210
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:06,839
website well very good well it's been a

1211
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:09,960
real pleasure it was you were very kind

1212
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:12,630
when we sat next to gether and it's been

1213
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:14,190
a real pleasure speaking to you tonight

1214
00:53:17,769 --> 00:53:16,230
I was great meeting you as well I

1215
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:17,779
appreciate you having me on the show

1216
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:21,359
very good thank you and I'm going to be

1217
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:23,250
signing you off and I don't do this very

1218
00:53:27,049 --> 00:53:25,170
often switch guests in the middle of the

1219
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:27,059
stream here but if you're listening live

1220
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:29,730
hang in and thanks again Lori all right

1221
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:46,640
yes I was by a fan of the show moot

1222
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:48,630
Davis is his name you can google him

1223
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:51,720
he's on tour right now a great guy fan

1224
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,359
of the show Stephen how are you I'm just

1225
00:54:00,140 --> 00:53:57,000
I'm Martin how are you good it's a I

1226
00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:00,150
think it's a little better okay doesn't

1227
00:54:04,099 --> 00:54:01,859
sound no quite the same as it usually

1228
00:54:07,099 --> 00:54:04,109
does when we speak but we're going to go

1229
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:07,109
with it at the way it is regardless so

1230
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:09,810
Steve I always have a special place on

1231
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:11,790
this show for you because you were the

1232
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,260
first one that believed me you were my

1233
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:15,119
very first guests and you're always

1234
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:18,839
welcome thank you and and you've been on

1235
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:22,260
a number of times and we haven't spoken

1236
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:24,930
die think about a year and a half last

1237
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:27,510
time I was out in your area I think we

1238
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,950
try to connect but it just didn't work

1239
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:30,660
out we're going to have lunch or

1240
00:54:37,579 --> 00:54:33,210
something I think mmm yes not long

1241
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:37,589
amazing yes so what is going on I know

1242
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:40,130
we could talk a little bit about a

1243
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,560
Podesta and things like that but let's

1244
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:45,119
lets just hear what's going on with you

1245
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:51,900
these days well I be or g shifty fruity

1246
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:53,910
our record of the video video record of

1247
00:55:02,990 --> 00:54:57,750
the Citizen hearing on disclosure to the

1248
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,000
US Congress of 538 offices on an early

1249
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:05,400
November and those who have arrived

1250
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:08,609
throughout the month of November the 10

1251
00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:11,570
guests DVD set congressional version

1252
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:15,060
noncommercial i arrived in Washington

1253
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:19,530
around November 20 furrow and set up

1254
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:22,230
shop thinking about trying to make a

1255
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:24,390
move in December but there was just a

1256
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:26,339
lot going down in December it was really

1257
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:32,730
crazy overseas also politically it was

1258
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:35,310
not not not a cry at post-election

1259
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:38,339
transition period that's for sure so we

1260
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:40,560
didn't really get underway until after

1261
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:42,510
the Congress reconvened on January

1262
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:49,010
third not long after that i sent a

1263
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,760
verbal request into 170 offices on seven

1264
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,440
committees that we were considering a

1265
00:56:04,070 --> 00:56:00,660
verbal request to meet with their

1266
00:56:10,310 --> 00:56:04,080
legislative aide liaison to the

1267
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:10,320
committee's then about we did some more

1268
00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:11,640
and of course then we started working

1269
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:13,320
the media like we started working in

1270
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:16,590
media around mid-november social process

1271
00:56:20,330 --> 00:56:18,300
because of all the things competing Isis

1272
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:20,340
for instance has just created a huge

1273
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:22,830
media drain as well as the first of

1274
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:24,150
crisis in Ukraine and then we've had

1275
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:26,790
multiple political crisis here so we

1276
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:30,420
were difficult to penetrate then I sent

1277
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:35,610
in early februari I sent in a to refax

1278
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:38,250
request to we narrowed the field down to

1279
00:56:43,820 --> 00:56:42,240
five committees the two committees on

1280
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:43,830
intelligence the flu Science and

1281
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:47,570
Technology committees and the Senate

1282
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:51,390
online security committee so about 90

1283
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:53,340
members with 78 faxes we sent in three

1284
00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:56,940
facts requests and continue to work the

1285
00:57:02,090 --> 00:56:59,490
media we had some articles get through

1286
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,100
articles in Washington child and then

1287
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:04,380
things suddenly took a dramatic turn

1288
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:09,690
upward one of the facts as I sent into

1289
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:12,720
the side committee members for the five

1290
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:16,290
committees rather 70 members gadi got it

1291
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:18,380
linked into the Rockefeller initiative

1292
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:21,300
naming names including very Clinton Bill

1293
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,300
Clinton John Podesta and so forth about

1294
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:26,640
three days after that fax hit Capitol

1295
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:29,880
Hill is when John Podesta it has to put

1296
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:33,320
a tweet out on his Twitter account and

1297
00:57:39,110 --> 00:57:36,510
things put out one since he was he was

1298
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:39,120
just about to leave the executive office

1299
00:57:44,810 --> 00:57:41,010
the White House as adviser to the

1300
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,820
president one year which everyone noted

1301
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:46,260
with interest we were very surprised he

1302
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:48,210
that he left the center for american

1303
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:51,690
progress as CEO and became advisor to

1304
00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:53,410
Barack Obama

1305
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,590
and the tweet was rather remarkable and

1306
00:58:04,380 --> 00:57:59,680
it's easy to find just Google John

1307
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:04,390
Podesta a tweet UFO he said that his

1308
00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:07,590
number one regret during the nineteen

1309
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,300
2014 on his advisor to the president was

1310
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:12,240
not getting the UFO files released

1311
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:14,470
referring back to his call to release

1312
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:17,920
those files in 2002 2003 and then he he

1313
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:20,470
copied that tweet to marine doubt in the

1314
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:25,960
New York time just amazing shouldn't

1315
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:27,430
happen there's no way that that's

1316
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:30,370
supposed to happen hmm and there was

1317
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:32,260
these people like this do not do

1318
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:33,940
something unless they have to and this

1319
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:36,970
was a reason for everybody knows how

1320
00:58:43,110 --> 00:58:39,810
dangerous Twitter Facebook and Instagram

1321
00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:43,120
can be quite a few careers have already

1322
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:46,750
been ended because of one tweet or one

1323
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:50,170
Instagram so here's a guy who is just

1324
00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:52,690
leaving the White House as an advisor to

1325
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:54,820
the president everyone knows he's going

1326
00:59:00,060 --> 00:58:58,150
to go very quickly to work for the heir

1327
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:00,070
apparent to the Democratic nomination

1328
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,490
Hillary Clinton who has the lead in the

1329
00:59:10,830 --> 00:59:06,720
early pony to be present United States

1330
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:10,840
you don't put out a tweet saying that

1331
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:13,030
your number one regret was not getting

1332
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:15,790
UFO files released you just don't do it

1333
00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:20,070
unless you've got a reason and he did

1334
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,800
because he he knew one that the 538

1335
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:29,440
offices had gotten laid citizen yelling

1336
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:31,930
video record which has three hours of

1337
00:59:36,330 --> 00:59:33,580
testimony on about the Rockefeller

1338
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:36,340
initiative he probably got tipped off

1339
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,060
that 70 faxes had gone in to pretty

1340
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:41,920
important committees science and tech

1341
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:45,370
and Intelligence Committee referring to

1342
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:47,140
the Rockefeller initiative mentioning it

1343
00:59:52,770 --> 00:59:50,800
by name and so he he knows what Clinton

1344
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:52,780
knew back when he put himself on Jimmy

1345
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:54,610
Kimmel in April a second thinking that

1346
00:59:58,260 --> 00:59:56,650
the dvds are going to be shipped then

1347
00:59:59,730 --> 00:59:58,270
marched through first that the

1348
01:00:01,830 --> 00:59:59,740
Rockefeller initiative is about to come

1349
01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:01,840
out it's about to be brought back to

1350
01:00:04,229 --> 01:00:03,460
life again after being ignored by the

1351
01:00:06,329 --> 01:00:04,239
media

1352
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:06,339
years and they're going to have to

1353
01:00:10,489 --> 01:00:08,529
answer questions about it and so this

1354
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:10,499
was an attempt to inoculate himself

1355
01:00:15,449 --> 01:00:14,049
ahead of time huh so that he can say

1356
01:00:16,709 --> 01:00:15,459
that well I you know I did I have done

1357
01:00:18,959 --> 01:00:16,719
something on this we have looked into

1358
01:00:21,989 --> 01:00:18,969
this and so people won't think that

1359
01:00:23,939 --> 01:00:21,999
there's some sort of evasion here that's

1360
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:23,949
very significant because that tweet

1361
01:00:28,499 --> 01:00:26,559
launched five six hundred articles I

1362
01:00:30,449 --> 01:00:28,509
mean there are articles that all over

1363
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:30,459
the country is that right here oh yeah

1364
01:00:35,579 --> 01:00:33,129
absolutely it just it was like went

1365
01:00:37,379 --> 01:00:35,589
viral almost immediate you know some

1366
01:00:39,029 --> 01:00:37,389
some people are saying its his sense of

1367
01:00:42,359 --> 01:00:39,039
humor but I don't think so because that

1368
01:00:44,819 --> 01:00:42,369
I looked into a lot of the things that

1369
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,829
he's written in in the past and you know

1370
01:00:50,129 --> 01:00:47,339
of course he was in Leslie canes book

1371
01:00:53,129 --> 01:00:50,139
but you know he really does have a

1372
01:00:55,469 --> 01:00:53,139
serious a serious fascination in a

1373
01:00:57,329 --> 01:00:55,479
serious interest in this topic yes he

1374
01:00:58,559 --> 01:00:57,339
does he's connected to his issue though

1375
01:01:00,419 --> 01:00:58,569
he's never mentioned the Rockefeller

1376
01:01:04,649 --> 01:01:00,429
initiative which is the local people

1377
01:01:06,839 --> 01:01:04,659
thought was the real problem so he had

1378
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:06,849
to make that tweet but that only helped

1379
01:01:14,939 --> 01:01:09,849
us become so that generates all

1380
01:01:18,029 --> 01:01:14,949
depressed and then quickly the media

1381
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:18,039
starts getting back to me and we've got

1382
01:01:23,309 --> 01:01:21,089
a quick rushing Times article and then a

1383
01:01:28,109 --> 01:01:23,319
breakthrough the breakthrough came on

1384
01:01:31,259 --> 01:01:28,119
Monday 23rd we got a huge article in the

1385
01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:31,269
local newspaper this is the political

1386
01:01:34,819 --> 01:01:33,099
paper that's been serving capital oil in

1387
01:01:37,139 --> 01:01:34,829
the Congress since nineteen fifty-five

1388
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:37,149
it's got a huge website and as well as

1389
01:01:45,059 --> 01:01:43,569
print edition and on Monday to 23rd the

1390
01:01:48,149 --> 01:01:45,069
world ball ran a huge article on

1391
01:01:49,529 --> 01:01:48,159
everything on the congressional hearing

1392
01:01:54,299 --> 01:01:49,539
initiative Citizen hearing it online

1393
01:01:55,709 --> 01:01:54,309
yard with video plenty of links and then

1394
01:01:58,709 --> 01:01:55,719
there was also a print version of the

1395
01:02:00,919 --> 01:01:58,719
article because in the paper so a huge

1396
01:02:04,649 --> 01:02:00,929
percentage of everybody on Capitol Hill

1397
01:02:06,059 --> 01:02:04,659
we've got put on complete notice they

1398
01:02:08,849 --> 01:02:06,069
hadn't already been by the washington

1399
01:02:10,949 --> 01:02:08,859
times over that this is going wrong that

1400
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:10,959
meetings are being sought and that these

1401
01:02:14,260 --> 01:02:11,860
are in play

1402
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:14,270
that article was then picked up by the

1403
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:17,330
new york magazine and it ran on tuesday

1404
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:20,180
and then there's another major political

1405
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:22,310
site in Washington that is about to take

1406
01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:25,430
it a step further immediately after the

1407
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:28,190
article was in the world call I started

1408
01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:31,640
getting feedback from offices to set up

1409
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:35,120
meetings and so now it's about to go to

1410
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:37,190
the next level so things are now picking

1411
01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:38,810
up speed but the slow brow has been

1412
01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:40,540
pushed off the side up the top of hill

1413
01:02:48,250 --> 01:02:46,100
hmm so where this is going is I believe

1414
01:02:50,170 --> 01:02:48,260
the Rockefeller initiative the

1415
01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:50,180
three-year effort by lon chopper to get

1416
01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:51,740
Clinton to release all the files which

1417
01:02:55,210 --> 01:02:52,940
involved a lot of things including

1418
01:03:01,150 --> 01:02:55,220
direct environmental Hillary Clinton

1419
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:01,160
John Podesta is about to be taken on by

1420
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:04,330
the media at any other the perfect time

1421
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:06,380
and they're going to have to answer

1422
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:07,850
questions about it they're going to have

1423
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:09,650
to explain why they not talked about it

1424
01:03:12,790 --> 01:03:10,910
for 20 years they're going to have to

1425
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:12,800
explain what a media is not engaged it

1426
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:14,150
and they're going to have to explain

1427
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:16,370
right wife is done rack went on and the

1428
01:03:19,540 --> 01:03:17,810
moment they start giving those answers

1429
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:19,550
the media is their temp media

1430
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:20,540
temperatures is going to rise

1431
01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:23,510
exponentially and it's going to

1432
01:03:29,110 --> 01:03:27,500
definitely drive the hearing process

1433
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:29,120
it's going to drive the meeting process

1434
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:31,130
I've got the whole increase

1435
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,480
substantially the likelihood getting

1436
01:03:36,430 --> 01:03:34,880
here we've got two hundred witnesses I

1437
01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:36,440
think that could testify obviously when

1438
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:40,070
I bring that many probably doing 25 to

1439
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:44,210
30 of the absolute best witnesses to a

1440
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:47,690
hearing Wynette hearing set up and that

1441
01:03:53,050 --> 01:03:51,110
testimony we're pretty much an end the

1442
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:53,060
hole in the ballgame ballgame appealed

1443
01:03:58,330 --> 01:03:55,250
truth embargo will not survive that

1444
01:04:01,090 --> 01:03:58,340
testimony sorry I mean we miss it not

1445
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:01,100
long after that hearing is done if not

1446
01:04:05,070 --> 01:04:02,930
while it's being done it's not even

1447
01:04:07,590 --> 01:04:05,080
perhaps before it even starts a

1448
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,600
disclosure will probably be triggered

1449
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:10,400
because it is there's a limit to how far

1450
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:13,730
you can push a pro a policy like this

1451
01:04:16,030 --> 01:04:15,230
and they've pushed it almost to the

1452
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:16,040
absolute man

1453
01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:18,950
so we're close we're now closing in on

1454
01:04:24,250 --> 01:04:23,120
the finish line Steve how you there's a

1455
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:24,260
lot of there's always a lot of

1456
01:04:29,830 --> 01:04:27,410
controversy about disclosure you know

1457
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,840
whether it will ever happen and you know

1458
01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:31,280
you always hear the things all the world

1459
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:32,780
will fall apart well I don't believe

1460
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:34,250
that's going to be the fact anymore

1461
01:04:39,220 --> 01:04:36,740
because of all the breakthroughs there

1462
01:04:41,290 --> 01:04:39,230
is with you know finding earth-like

1463
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:41,300
planets and you know more and more

1464
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:42,800
people are coming forward saying you

1465
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,150
know there has to be life it would be

1466
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:46,160
more strange if there wasn't life out

1467
01:04:53,070 --> 01:04:49,310
there intelligent life but how do you

1468
01:04:55,780 --> 01:04:53,080
foresee let's just say that disclosure

1469
01:05:00,940 --> 01:04:55,790
starts to happen how do you foresee that

1470
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:00,950
would come about and and materialize

1471
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:04,490
what my disclosure is disclosure as we

1472
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,410
define it doesn't doesn't start to

1473
01:05:11,890 --> 01:05:08,240
happen it's not a light switch it just

1474
01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:11,900
goes on be disclosure is the formal

1475
01:05:16,510 --> 01:05:14,180
acknowledged it's the formal adoption of

1476
01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:16,520
ET presence by the government through

1477
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:18,550
their head of state of course the Obama

1478
01:05:24,310 --> 01:05:22,130
so and know the world is not going to

1479
01:05:27,370 --> 01:05:24,320
fall apart after this loader look the

1480
01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:27,380
world is falling apart because of human

1481
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:31,790
babe we have we have much more to fear

1482
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:34,130
in terms of our social contracts from

1483
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:35,930
ourselves than we do from

1484
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:38,810
extraterrestrial yeah I can maybe we're

1485
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:41,600
still on case the disclosure will vary

1486
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:42,920
like what I help us pull things back

1487
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:45,620
together so that's all propaganda to

1488
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:47,210
government seated out there years ago

1489
01:05:53,290 --> 01:05:51,110
and it's just just there's no there's no

1490
01:05:57,490 --> 01:05:53,300
basis for it it cannot be justified by

1491
01:06:00,160 --> 01:05:57,500
any logical argument to that group right

1492
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:00,170
right now going back going back to

1493
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:03,140
Podesta let's say he he runs Hillary's

1494
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:07,370
campaign let's just say Hillary you know

1495
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,330
I don't know what kind of email I'm

1496
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:09,920
gonna get from this but let's just say

1497
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:12,830
she gets back in the White House I saw I

1498
01:06:17,110 --> 01:06:15,020
saw Clinton on Jimmy Kimmel too and I

1499
01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:17,120
know it was a lot of body language going

1500
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,630
on there uh where you know he was

1501
01:06:26,590 --> 01:06:22,720
uncomfortable with the question for sure

1502
01:06:28,780 --> 01:06:26,600
but what do you they both both the

1503
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:28,790
Clintons did have a fascination

1504
01:06:32,830 --> 01:06:30,820
with UFOs so you think that would

1505
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:32,840
because I wouldn't phrase it that way

1506
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,250
sunup fascination the Clinton was

1507
01:06:41,290 --> 01:06:39,680
approached after he became president by

1508
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:41,300
Lawrence rockefeller there was something

1509
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:43,490
that couldn't be more and rocket thought

1510
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:44,900
I want him to release all the files if

1511
01:06:47,740 --> 01:06:46,310
he had done that he had been able to

1512
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:47,750
successfully do that he would have ended

1513
01:06:54,850 --> 01:06:52,250
the truth embargo in 1993 and so they

1514
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:54,860
engage the issue Clinton's very smart

1515
01:07:00,370 --> 01:06:58,160
man and so you know you don't have to

1516
01:07:02,590 --> 01:07:00,380
you don't have to have a tour of area 51

1517
01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:02,600
or see that most classified documents

1518
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:03,470
and government hands and others

1519
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:05,660
extraterrestrials you can figure that

1520
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:07,400
out by simple common sense or looking at

1521
01:07:12,580 --> 01:07:09,050
the evidence it's been amassed in the

1522
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,590
public domain for the last 60 60 so he

1523
01:07:19,180 --> 01:07:14,000
probably knows where the 80s here

1524
01:07:24,490 --> 01:07:19,190
whether it's been paid or not so the

1525
01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:24,500
situation is this the way things are

1526
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:27,790
going it's increasingly clear to me that

1527
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:30,260
Hillary Clinton is not going to become

1528
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:31,490
closer to the United States without

1529
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:32,990
going through the rock without

1530
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,450
permission she can't she can't stir it

1531
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:38,480
any longer there's no way she's only got

1532
01:07:44,350 --> 01:07:41,660
two go two more years and not address it

1533
01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:44,360
not deal with it not talk about it same

1534
01:07:50,890 --> 01:07:47,740
to her husband so they are probably

1535
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:50,900
right now I mean at this time they're

1536
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,350
probably meeting and for at least

1537
01:07:59,800 --> 01:07:57,440
communicating I would you know I don't

1538
01:08:03,070 --> 01:07:59,810
think the communication would be her her

1539
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:03,080
husband and Podesta planning on how

1540
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:05,510
they're going to handle it see they have

1541
01:08:09,970 --> 01:08:07,580
a big problem normally what you do is

1542
01:08:12,340 --> 01:08:09,980
you deny it they'd never happened I

1543
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:12,350
don't know what you're talking about but

1544
01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:15,110
and enough your listeners know this of

1545
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:17,319
course we know differently because of

1546
01:08:29,410 --> 01:08:21,530
the work of grand camera and his

1547
01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:29,420
presidential UFO for website Cameron you

1548
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:31,549
know the people in our field knew about

1549
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:34,730
the Rockefeller nation it was the press

1550
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:36,470
that didn't cover and they never talked

1551
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:37,910
about of a window of that and we were

1552
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:39,410
stuck up in the meta better the quest is

1553
01:08:41,709 --> 01:08:40,190
never will

1554
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:41,719
would never follow through that's truth

1555
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:45,440
embargo so Cameron knowing that they'd

1556
01:08:48,999 --> 01:08:47,390
been because a lot of researchers were

1557
01:08:51,789 --> 01:08:49,009
involved that are still alive I mean

1558
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:51,799
it's not hard to figure that out so

1559
01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:54,290
Cameron's you know submitted a Freedom

1560
01:08:58,930 --> 01:08:56,900
of Information Act request in two

1561
01:09:03,550 --> 01:08:58,940
thousand really two thousand I've been

1562
01:09:05,019 --> 01:09:03,560
about 19 anyway and essentially for

1563
01:09:10,269 --> 01:09:05,029
whatever reason I believe it was a

1564
01:09:14,620 --> 01:09:10,279
mistake somebody in the OSTP off signs

1565
01:09:18,249 --> 01:09:14,630
of the gospel policy truck if you just

1566
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:18,259
didn't think that didn't think that well

1567
01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:21,650
you know documents about Rockefeller or

1568
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:27,580
what have you would be a problem and

1569
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,250
gable you got a thousand pages of the

1570
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:33,920
thumping on and these documents

1571
01:09:40,059 --> 01:09:37,670
confirmed the Rockefeller initiative we

1572
01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:40,069
have paper sets of them I've got a

1573
01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:41,660
hundred and seventy of the most

1574
01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:45,980
important document up on the internet

1575
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:47,660
they've been up on my site for like ten

1576
01:09:55,959 --> 01:09:52,699
years maybe longer and so they can't

1577
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:55,969
deny it we have the goods now by the way

1578
01:10:01,420 --> 01:09:58,730
the reason that that was possible was

1579
01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:01,430
because the office of Technology Policy

1580
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:05,000
at that time two thousand because not

1581
01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:09,140
part of the presidential Records Act now

1582
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:11,000
their way to the White House Office but

1583
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:12,650
it wasn't including the presidential

1584
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:17,840
Records Act otherwise it couldn't have

1585
01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:19,160
been gotten they could have been

1586
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:20,060
obtained through the Freedom of

1587
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,199
Information they could have only been

1588
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:23,120
obtained under the law under the law of

1589
01:10:25,860 --> 01:10:24,410
the presidential Records Act but they

1590
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:25,870
would have been available for many years

1591
01:10:33,070 --> 01:10:30,320
so oddly enough one of the first things

1592
01:10:37,209 --> 01:10:33,080
that Bush did when he won and took

1593
01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:37,219
office in 2001 this is the year after

1594
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:41,960
Cameron got those files Bush signed a

1595
01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:43,730
presidential directive putting the

1596
01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:45,350
Office of Science and Technology Policy

1597
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:47,780
back under the presidential rumors

1598
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:51,290
so that couldn't happen again so the

1599
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:53,210
documents are up on the net and I'm

1600
01:10:58,360 --> 01:10:55,870
submitted them to journalists Marshall

1601
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,370
so there's nowhere to go there's nowhere

1602
01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:00,800
to hide here they're going to have to

1603
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:03,620
answer to it there's a lot of questions

1604
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:05,570
to be asked and every single one of them

1605
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:07,610
is going to heat the press up on the e

1606
01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:11,000
key issue and and the people involved

1607
01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:14,540
are big heaters the people that are

1608
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:20,360
named and my efforts include individuals

1609
01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:23,270
who have either been president or run

1610
01:11:32,590 --> 01:11:27,560
for president six times is when hillary

1611
01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:32,600
clinton albert gore and there were six

1612
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:36,220
times so they're going to have to answer

1613
01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:39,440
questions about this and that is what's

1614
01:11:43,330 --> 01:11:41,900
not happen and it's going to happen in a

1615
01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:43,340
run-up to the next election mean it's

1616
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,800
been after since and that is what's

1617
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,880
probably going to get me to

1618
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:49,520
congressional hearing for Steve are you

1619
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,090
are you in a public venue I yeah I'm in

1620
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:55,040
the national press club some people were

1621
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:57,710
buying me they're going out oh okay all

1622
01:12:03,550 --> 01:12:02,000
right all right let's just say let's say

1623
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:03,560
a president I know this has actually

1624
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:05,930
happened in the past with a couple but

1625
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:07,910
let's just say a president gets into

1626
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:11,170
office and his number one initiative is

1627
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:14,390
for disclosure they seemed to hit walls

1628
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:16,610
now can you describe what what goes on

1629
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:19,070
with that sir the president's no longer

1630
01:12:24,010 --> 01:12:20,570
in the loop doesn't it no longer has

1631
01:12:27,340 --> 01:12:24,020
access to to the EPA issue so the

1632
01:12:29,260 --> 01:12:27,350
president come into office and he could

1633
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,270
say I want to know I don't I want to see

1634
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:31,040
what you got they're going to say you

1635
01:12:35,970 --> 01:12:33,260
don't have any tonight that's the way

1636
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:35,980
it's been that's what it was for Clinton

1637
01:12:42,130 --> 01:12:38,360
pretty much led to it was for George

1638
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:42,140
Bush not his father but for filler is

1639
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,070
that way for Obama so that's it the

1640
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:48,080
president can't and acknowledged can't

1641
01:12:52,150 --> 01:12:50,270
make announcement unless he's got access

1642
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:52,160
to information less he has the backing

1643
01:12:57,700 --> 01:12:52,970
of the time

1644
01:12:59,800 --> 01:12:57,710
so what the president has to do is we'd

1645
01:13:03,070 --> 01:12:59,810
have to go to war in a sense an internal

1646
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,080
war with the Pentagon to get full

1647
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:05,600
acquiescence could get access in order

1648
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:07,070
to make the announcement now I'm going

1649
01:13:12,220 --> 01:13:10,130
to do that look when Clinton came in he

1650
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:12,230
he all he did if one of the first things

1651
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:14,750
he did when he took office whereas he

1652
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:16,430
keep trying to fight through on a

1653
01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:19,930
promise he made during his campaign to

1654
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,580
eliminate discrimination against gays in

1655
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:25,520
the military and the military literally

1656
01:13:32,110 --> 01:13:29,030
came right back at him and first him off

1657
01:13:34,330 --> 01:13:32,120
that issue I can assure the EG thing

1658
01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:34,340
would be a hundred times harder however

1659
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:37,700
that was then this is now and so the

1660
01:13:41,170 --> 01:13:39,770
effect would what's going on now is the

1661
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:41,180
congressional hearing initiative it's

1662
01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:44,570
underway is that we're getting to the

1663
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:47,270
point where so i get to the point we're

1664
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:50,110
both the White House and the Pentagon

1665
01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:53,210
will realize that the finish line is

1666
01:13:59,140 --> 01:13:55,340
pretty much here and that there's it's

1667
01:14:02,260 --> 01:13:59,150
just women and may have no choice yes g

1668
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:02,270
but I've made up kind of agreed with a

1669
01:14:07,570 --> 01:14:05,450
statement i heard earlier this year and

1670
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:07,580
that is up i think this is going to be

1671
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:11,120
the year that at least they discover

1672
01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:14,270
some type of form of life that is

1673
01:14:17,410 --> 01:14:15,950
extraterrestrial i mean i think that

1674
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:17,420
we're getting really really close to

1675
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:19,010
that and i'm talking about you know

1676
01:14:23,860 --> 01:14:21,500
microbial something scientifically

1677
01:14:26,020 --> 01:14:23,870
proven anyway but nobody's gonna care

1678
01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:26,030
maybe it'll be as good be a big giant

1679
01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:29,300
yawn you think you will i mean i think

1680
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:31,790
that's like the most important thing you

1681
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:35,690
know that scientifically Allah it was 25

1682
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,280
years ago if not now my god you just

1683
01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:42,560
don't have any done many movies were

1684
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:44,750
made about extraterrestrials you know

1685
01:14:50,020 --> 01:14:46,910
him help penetrating that whole concept

1686
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:50,030
is and human psyche I assure you that

1687
01:14:54,730 --> 01:14:52,130
learning that there's actually microbes

1688
01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:54,740
somewhere in a solar system it's going

1689
01:14:58,570 --> 01:14:57,380
to be nothing although the scientists

1690
01:15:00,010 --> 01:14:58,580
will make a big deal out of it because

1691
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:00,020
they'll probably think they're going to

1692
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:01,210
get some funding

1693
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:03,910
trust me that's true it's become a joke

1694
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:06,520
yeah and it won't slow things down at

1695
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,440
all well they can have their time frame

1696
01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:10,480
you can other time schedules okay they

1697
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:12,670
can believe whatever they want but it's

1698
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:15,550
not going to work out that way okay we

1699
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:17,170
have a chat room and I've been having

1700
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:18,730
trouble with it I want to apologize to

1701
01:15:23,550 --> 01:15:21,430
the live listener I've got to figure out

1702
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:23,560
something on another computer i'm

1703
01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:25,660
running a couple of computers here so we

1704
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:27,700
do have a question a couple questions up

1705
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:30,520
there for you and one of them is what's

1706
01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:33,940
your expectation on the May 5th photo of

1707
01:15:37,709 --> 01:15:36,190
the alleged alien body that's going to

1708
01:15:42,350 --> 01:15:37,719
be released that that's down to Mexico

1709
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:42,360
City are you familiar with that I'm cool

1710
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:46,870
always again this is what this is is

1711
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:51,430
some evidence that's going to be handled

1712
01:15:59,070 --> 01:15:53,950
and on higher in a more sophisticated

1713
01:16:03,020 --> 01:15:59,080
way and you typically sit and it's being

1714
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:03,030
handled I think well you put it and the

1715
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,770
Providence for the slides the two slides

1716
01:16:12,510 --> 01:16:07,860
is is apparently been well established

1717
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:12,520
the story makes a lot of sense they have

1718
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:17,140
the slides analyzed for dating for

1719
01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:20,350
manipulation and what have you and I'm

1720
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:21,160
probably going to make a pretty

1721
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:22,690
persuasive case that these slides are

1722
01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:26,710
real and they seem to show two aliens in

1723
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:31,390
a obviously I think you're in repose I

1724
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:33,550
think the implication is it could be an

1725
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:38,080
autopsy photo crew up 50 photo and it's

1726
01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:39,310
and you're going to make a big splash

1727
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:41,200
out of it they've announced it ahead of

1728
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:43,810
time they're building up some interest

1729
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:46,510
and excitement in it they're going to do

1730
01:16:50,049 --> 01:16:48,130
a big program we're getting it down in

1731
01:16:52,209 --> 01:16:50,059
Mexico City because I'm a massage

1732
01:16:54,099 --> 01:16:52,219
alarms water so it's going to get to

1733
01:16:55,869 --> 01:16:54,109
trust it's going to attract attention

1734
01:16:58,509 --> 01:16:55,879
it's going to raise the exit risk

1735
01:17:01,719 --> 01:16:58,519
realest you again in the public mind set

1736
01:17:04,540 --> 01:17:01,729
and in the media does it slam dunk the

1737
01:17:09,339 --> 01:17:04,550
issue absolutely not it's simply two

1738
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:09,349
slides okay Liam bunny but I'm happy to

1739
01:17:13,779 --> 01:17:12,409
see it I'm happy to see it i think it's

1740
01:17:16,839 --> 01:17:13,789
going to generate a lot of interest in

1741
01:17:18,339 --> 01:17:16,849
Mexico sure and that's just going to put

1742
01:17:22,029 --> 01:17:18,349
more pressure it's just more pressure on

1743
01:17:26,879 --> 01:17:22,039
the truth embargo what is going to end

1744
01:17:31,770 --> 01:17:26,889
the truth embargo yo his testimony

1745
01:17:37,209 --> 01:17:34,419
testifying under oath under penalty of

1746
01:17:39,509 --> 01:17:37,219
perjury federal perjury charges so forth

1747
01:17:42,459 --> 01:17:39,519
that's what's going to end the trip over

1748
01:17:45,969 --> 01:17:42,469
mm-hmm okay we have another question up

1749
01:17:49,149 --> 01:17:45,979
there and someone just wanted to know I

1750
01:17:51,339 --> 01:17:49,159
think I know the answer to this but once

1751
01:17:53,770 --> 01:17:51,349
I know if you do any other lobbying of

1752
01:17:57,489 --> 01:17:53,780
other nations or you just concentrate in

1753
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:57,499
the US oh no nylon be nuns days going on

1754
01:18:03,790 --> 01:18:00,800
that's that's that's it i'm not i'm not

1755
01:18:06,729 --> 01:18:03,800
capable olive oil yeah lobby of the

1756
01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:06,739
government do you get any support from

1757
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:08,780
other countries people from other

1758
01:18:13,599 --> 01:18:11,030
countries i'm sure you do well I don't

1759
01:18:15,699 --> 01:18:13,609
specifically but I mean I speak in other

1760
01:18:19,469 --> 01:18:15,709
countries I have supporters about the

1761
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:19,479
world well this is the fundamental

1762
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:22,489
international support comes from their

1763
01:18:28,029 --> 01:18:25,369
actions regarding your files the private

1764
01:18:31,059 --> 01:18:28,039
countries have released proactively many

1765
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:31,069
thousands of files to the Internet where

1766
01:18:35,739 --> 01:18:32,449
they've been downloaded millions of

1767
01:18:37,509 --> 01:18:35,749
times amazing food most a lot of our

1768
01:18:43,989 --> 01:18:37,519
allies such as the UK Canada Australia

1769
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,999
as well as saw France Sweden Norway and

1770
01:18:48,549 --> 01:18:45,679
so forth plus a number of South American

1771
01:18:50,529 --> 01:18:48,559
country these releases of files have

1772
01:18:52,779 --> 01:18:50,539
applause been covered and spent generate

1773
01:18:55,449 --> 01:18:52,789
a lot of news articles but they've also

1774
01:18:57,579 --> 01:18:55,459
made it clear to the US that they're not

1775
01:18:59,170 --> 01:18:57,589
in lockstep anymore with us they're not

1776
01:19:03,160 --> 01:18:59,180
prepared necessarily

1777
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:03,170
stick this out until however long we

1778
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:06,770
want to do so in that sense there these

1779
01:19:09,730 --> 01:19:08,270
countries these other nations are

1780
01:19:11,710 --> 01:19:09,740
putting great pressure on the truth

1781
01:19:14,770 --> 01:19:11,720
embargo that the u.s. still controls the

1782
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:14,780
managers of runs and that's that's all

1783
01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:17,690
very helpful happy to doing and I expect

1784
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:21,790
more files gurus hmm getting back to

1785
01:19:27,580 --> 01:19:25,790
Podesta has anyone directly talked to

1786
01:19:31,450 --> 01:19:27,590
him and interviewed him since he made

1787
01:19:33,610 --> 01:19:31,460
that tweet no as he's staying away from

1788
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:33,620
that do you know as anyone attempting to

1789
01:19:40,030 --> 01:19:37,370
get ahold of him I have no idea he's not

1790
01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:40,040
going to talk she's or he does get long

1791
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:42,200
as he doesn't was nothing like that he

1792
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,820
did he did he was interviewed by a New

1793
01:19:50,350 --> 01:19:48,800
York Times reporter is part of an

1794
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:50,360
article they did on the Citizen hearing

1795
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:52,760
on disclosure see for the comment into

1796
01:19:59,980 --> 01:19:56,690
that he was in rusty canes documentary

1797
01:20:03,220 --> 01:19:59,990
he was in for de las de Cannes book but

1798
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:03,230
came again he does a certain amount of

1799
01:20:08,290 --> 01:20:05,690
stuff he puts certain things out there

1800
01:20:10,150 --> 01:20:08,300
but he didn't volunteer much and he

1801
01:20:12,130 --> 01:20:10,160
doesn't do anything now I but then he

1802
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:12,140
hasn't been impressed I already I don't

1803
01:20:16,780 --> 01:20:13,550
think he has a good press one oh that's

1804
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:16,790
about to change so again they've been

1805
01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:20,630
able to finesse this thing from 1996

1806
01:20:27,730 --> 01:20:23,420
well really from 93 within 96 all the

1807
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:27,740
way to 2015 19 years and and not had to

1808
01:20:31,930 --> 01:20:30,410
deal with it now again you might say

1809
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,940
well that's their business that's that's

1810
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:33,440
their can say what they want that's what

1811
01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:34,990
they want what's your problem the

1812
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,660
problem is is that the people that are

1813
01:20:45,010 --> 01:20:41,360
finessing this we want to become the

1814
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:45,020
president of the United States so it's

1815
01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:48,490
not their private business perfect not

1816
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:51,350
in fact that they are running away from

1817
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:52,880
an issue of this magnitude if they're

1818
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:54,830
playing footsie with it is not

1819
01:21:00,190 --> 01:20:57,530
acceptable far as I'm concerned for

1820
01:21:01,420 --> 01:21:00,200
someone who wishes to be President hell

1821
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:01,430
it's not acceptable or somebody wants to

1822
01:21:06,610 --> 01:21:04,670
be the secretary defence and so again

1823
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,620
it's it comes under the truth embargo

1824
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:08,960
meaning that this issue is treated

1825
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:09,710
differently than

1826
01:21:16,150 --> 01:21:13,250
other issues it has a special place it

1827
01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:16,160
has to be handled a special way and all

1828
01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:18,710
of these rules are are mandated by the

1829
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:21,020
government itself we don't have a say in

1830
01:21:27,550 --> 01:21:24,290
any of it and that's not accepted and so

1831
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:27,560
I'm going to do whatever I can first

1832
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:30,530
them to face it now if they handle it

1833
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:34,310
well I think it will serve them well if

1834
01:21:38,530 --> 01:21:36,650
they continue to try to run from it even

1835
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:38,540
after the pressure really starts to

1836
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:40,870
increase that would be a big mistake

1837
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:45,290
we'll see mm-hmm a couple more questions

1838
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:48,380
up there someone wants to know how you

1839
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:51,670
get funding as a lobbyist and access to

1840
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:57,250
people to pursue in the UFO field well

1841
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:01,280
people donate money to this work okay

1842
01:22:07,930 --> 01:22:05,750
mm-hmm we accept donations and we've

1843
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:07,940
gotten a lot more in the last two years

1844
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:12,110
that ever before going back to 2012 we

1845
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,580
have one major funding that's what we

1846
01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:14,960
used it for the quick Citizen hearing on

1847
01:22:21,959 --> 01:22:18,440
disclosure on so its gate but it's never

1848
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:21,969
its well I'm happy about that funding

1849
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:25,010
since then we've gotten some it's never

1850
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:27,410
enough though that 2012 funding is quite

1851
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:30,530
a bit yeah well to put on what you did

1852
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:33,440
that's a major a major deal it cost 700

1853
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:37,250
grand a pathetic mmm we need more I hope

1854
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:38,930
we get more funding as soon as possible

1855
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:40,010
because the congressional hearing

1856
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,010
initiative is definitely expensive so in

1857
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:47,840
terms of access what will have been

1858
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:49,930
networking in this issue for 18 years

1859
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I've got seven Facebook pages 6 web

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01:23:05,960 --> 01:22:58,640
pages a very large mail list networking

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01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:09,170
well I think the thing that I really

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01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,310
like about you steve is you're really

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:13,440
passionate about this and you really you

1864
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:15,810
know you've been studying the course on

1865
01:23:21,950 --> 01:23:18,690
exactly what you're trying to do you

1866
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:21,960
know it's a lot of work and I hope that

1867
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:24,840
you're appreciated for what you're

1868
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:28,410
attempting to do I am I've gotten like

1869
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:30,090
just last year's I've gotten three

1870
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:31,770
lifetime awards you know the research

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01:23:36,260 --> 01:23:34,290
with your words are constant so I mean

1872
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:36,270
that's nice it's night preciation is the

1873
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:41,250
currency of over after and I get plenty

1874
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,310
of positive email so I there is plenty

1875
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:46,800
of that no complaints here now what

1876
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:48,810
here's another thing up on the message

1877
01:23:53,690 --> 01:23:50,550
board and what how do you answer this

1878
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:53,700
and I sort of agree with it and you may

1879
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:56,820
not like it but anyway Richard Dolan has

1880
01:24:01,520 --> 01:23:59,370
a strong argument that various agencies

1881
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,530
involved in the cover-up will not

1882
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:03,840
release disclosure unless they are

1883
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:07,830
promised amnesty about their lying to

1884
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,590
the public which I think there's a part

1885
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:13,440
of that is true I would think look I

1886
01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:17,370
support amnesty I i do not i think it's

1887
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:19,020
just it's inconceivable to me that any

1888
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:20,520
amnesty would be author or at least

1889
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:21,900
would go to play at until after

1890
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:25,380
disclosure however but would it surprise

1891
01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:28,050
me if if it point that the Pentagon and

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01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,600
the White House have to meet to cut the

1893
01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:32,760
deal that allows the suppose we take

1894
01:24:40,730 --> 01:24:37,190
flutters women shocked me Pentagon

1895
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:40,740
required from from the White House a

1896
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:44,460
directive over amnesty I can make a case

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01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:47,130
then a God wouldn't want that in other

1898
01:24:52,460 --> 01:24:50,280
words what the Pentagon will want is for

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01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:52,470
the president to conduct a disclosure

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01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,750
event and conduct the post disclosure

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01:25:02,210 --> 01:24:57,600
world in a way that they are comfortable

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01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:02,220
with and granting amnesty to people to

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01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:08,760
come forward without repercussions is

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01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:13,820
not something he may not want so I

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01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,830
richard has said that I I would probably

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:18,400
disagree

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01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,810
think that no I don't think that will be

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01:25:23,820 --> 01:25:22,000
a factor but it is then president can

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01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:23,830
say falling off keep your presidential

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01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:27,190
directly point on that's what they want

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01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:29,260
that's an easy thing to give it just

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01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:32,250
make the president look even even more

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01:25:36,899 --> 01:25:35,440
progressive moral dance not only is it

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:36,909
bringing us the truth but he's actually

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01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:38,770
taking additional measures to help the

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01:25:42,419 --> 01:25:41,080
truth come out remember disclosure was

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01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:42,429
just the announcement of the presence of

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01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:45,130
ETS that's all that's all it is it's not

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01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,530
any anything else beyond that is

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01:25:51,660 --> 01:25:49,840
supposed to scultura war and so an

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01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:51,670
amnesty directive would be a way of

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01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:53,710
saying in addition to announcing Miki

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01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:55,960
presents underneath see what I can to

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01:26:01,280 --> 01:25:57,489
bring information out as quickly as

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01:26:04,110 --> 01:26:01,290
possible again I don't think he will

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01:26:06,090 --> 01:26:04,120
well I don't think he will initially but

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i'm going to ask for i'm going to

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01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:10,179
campaign for but probably if an amnesty

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01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:12,130
and the truth and reconciliation program

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01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:15,790
he both who instituted it won't be right

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away it will be a number of months after

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the disclosures then what do you think

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01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:25,409
the the pressure is on the US when

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outside countries are more and more open

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01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:33,550
to the idea that UFOs really do exist

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01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:35,770
and they're they're taking it serious

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01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:37,210
there's pressure there there have

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01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:40,540
success well if there is a huge and it

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01:26:46,979 --> 01:26:42,489
said this countless times and will

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01:26:48,689 --> 01:26:46,989
continue to say long it takes there is a

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01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:48,699
huge risk of the united states by

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01:26:55,229 --> 01:26:52,270
delaying disclosure the formal

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01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:55,239
announcement will be will go down in

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01:26:59,840 --> 01:26:58,300
history many will be able to see no

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01:27:03,090 --> 01:26:59,850
significant event in human history

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01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:03,100
mm-hmm the country would leads on it as

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01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:04,960
it goes first the president that needs

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01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:08,560
the party of the president who will

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01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:13,020
achieve an instant historical legacy

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01:27:20,850 --> 01:27:17,199
it's almost priceless the country that

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01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:20,860
comes in second will get squat right but

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01:27:24,830 --> 01:27:22,270
it's worse for the United States because

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01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:24,840
the US started this truth embargo

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01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:28,020
demanded its allies go along with it

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01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:32,700
maintained it has resisted it greater

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01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,920
than any of these other countries and so

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01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:36,960
if russia for instance were to make the

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01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,450
announcement then the US would get all

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01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:41,520
of the blame and negatives associated

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01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:43,560
with the enviable itself without any of

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01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:45,570
the positives of being the lead country

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01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,400
that ended in bago we would be a

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:50,400
geopolitical disaster and i keep saying

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it in hopes that some people in the

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01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:53,580
White House will be listening because if

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01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:55,980
they don't get that they may be on the

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01:28:00,380 --> 01:27:58,560
verge of making a colossal mistake but

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01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:00,390
of course making colossal mistakes

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that's how America rules right now

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01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,940
mm-hmm it's funny just before you said

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01:28:10,190 --> 01:28:07,920
that about Russia someone typed the same

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01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:10,200
thing on the chat room have to take in

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01:28:13,610 --> 01:28:12,120
the same way as you you know that

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01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:13,620
wouldn't surprise me you think Putin

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01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:14,850
would like to embarrass the United

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01:28:21,710 --> 01:28:17,340
States and and sees left classroom you

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01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:21,720
think he's that kind of guy mm-hmm yep

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really good mm-hmm yep so when you did

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to this DVD set you sent out um can you

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get into the details of how many people

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and who they were that you sent them out

1982
01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:39,060
to oh wow the DVD set was the full

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01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:41,190
record of a citizen here in 42 witnesses

1984
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:43,410
30 hours of testimony 20 session was

1985
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:46,170
over five days not congressional hearing

1986
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:47,910
national press about 65 members of

1987
01:28:55,190 --> 01:28:51,360
Congress were mightily impressed by this

1988
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,200
testimony we sent a copy to every every

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01:29:01,700 --> 01:28:57,600
3rd congressional office 538 they were

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01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:01,710
active at the time that's 5380 avg's and

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01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:05,280
make this DVD set a couple sets have

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01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:06,840
been sent to the media some more we'll

1993
01:29:13,670 --> 01:29:10,590
go to the media shortly these are not

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commercial and not for sale monday we're

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01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:16,020
gonna do with a lot of money tell you

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but so that's that's what it is the

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01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:23,790
Citizen hearing is that is the key

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01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:27,450
hidden to this maneuver I couldn't do it

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01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:32,040
without that citizen very much and so

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01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:35,010
we're going to whatever it costs it it

2001
01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:38,940
was worth it and the kid earrings that

2002
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:40,380
will be the key

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01:29:44,970 --> 01:29:43,330
now i know i spoke with you i believe i

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01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:44,980
spoke with you just before you put that

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01:29:50,939 --> 01:29:47,920
on and but i don't think i've spoke to

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01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:50,949
you since that time at least not on this

2007
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:54,070
show that is but what would you say was

2008
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,210
the most profound part of that whole

2009
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:00,400
that whole hearing I mean what what made

2010
01:30:11,839 --> 01:30:04,270
the most impact well goes it depends on

2011
01:30:16,939 --> 01:30:11,849
what you are the target for the impact

2012
01:30:19,890 --> 01:30:16,949
well there are two fundamental hooks

2013
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:19,900
upon which the entire congressional

2014
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:27,449
hearing initiative was is based on

2015
01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:31,090
because two is enough one is a national

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01:30:37,050 --> 01:30:34,060
security hook and one is a political

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01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:37,060
inch of these clips were presented in

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01:30:41,790 --> 01:30:39,310
event included in the Citizen hearing on

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01:30:45,089 --> 01:30:41,800
disclosure each of them had three hours

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01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:45,099
of testimony the national security hood

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01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:47,800
is the nuclear weapons tampering

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01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:53,320
evidence now that evidence the largest

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01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:55,150
repository of that evidence of course

2024
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,130
was put together over many years by

2025
01:31:02,010 --> 01:30:59,199
Robert Hastings workers you appeal goes

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01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:02,020
and moves that's just an incredibly

2027
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,280
important book Robert Salas who is one

2028
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:08,800
of the Air Force officers that is

2029
01:31:13,379 --> 01:31:11,530
firsthand testimony to some of this

2030
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:13,389
nuclear tampering and has helped collect

2031
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:16,150
a lot of other witnesses also wrote a

2032
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:18,880
book called fatal job me I think five

2033
01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:20,560
people testified on the new issue with

2034
01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:23,560
the hearing now that is a really

2035
01:31:27,330 --> 01:31:25,960
powerful issue the press is actually

2036
01:31:28,740 --> 01:31:27,340
written about it and it's been on the

2037
01:31:32,129 --> 01:31:28,750
internet but they've never followed up

2038
01:31:33,660 --> 01:31:32,139
that's truth embargoes them obviously if

2039
01:31:34,890 --> 01:31:33,670
this kind of testimony gets in front of

2040
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:34,900
a congressional hearing under oath

2041
01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:37,300
that's a whole different matter and then

2042
01:31:41,879 --> 01:31:38,920
words of binding meetings with staff on

2043
01:31:43,420 --> 01:31:41,889
a hill and I'm presenting this is one of

2044
01:31:46,690 --> 01:31:43,430
the key testimony needs to be brought

2045
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:46,700
hearing who is going to look at me and

2046
01:31:53,890 --> 01:31:50,110
say well you know why do you think that

2047
01:31:57,820 --> 01:31:53,900
having our missile shutdown while an

2048
01:32:00,600 --> 01:31:57,830
unknown vehicle is hovering over our sac

2049
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:00,610
base is a national security matter I

2050
01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:02,570
don't think anybody is going to be

2051
01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:05,000
stupid enough to do that so that's the

2052
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:08,120
national security vote that's powerful

2053
01:32:12,130 --> 01:32:10,850
stuff the other book is the political in

2054
01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:12,140
that of course is the Rockefeller

2055
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:14,120
mission the people have talked about

2056
01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:16,570
then the reason that that book is

2057
01:32:24,130 --> 01:32:21,260
important again is that one of the

2058
01:32:26,110 --> 01:32:24,140
people involved as president twice the

2059
01:32:28,210 --> 01:32:26,120
other one wants to still be President

2060
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:28,220
and has been Secretary of State another

2061
01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:29,930
person that is never spoken about the

2062
01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:32,630
initiative was secretary defense in the

2063
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:34,300
head of the CIA and other one became

2064
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:36,410
secretary of energy in the governor of

2065
01:32:40,990 --> 01:32:37,970
New Mexico and another one man for

2066
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:41,000
president that would be a rule which to

2067
01:32:47,860 --> 01:32:44,000
go stood around having huge influence on

2068
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:47,870
the American people and the governments

2069
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:51,110
of the United State so right now these

2070
01:32:55,150 --> 01:32:53,450
are silly aren't retired they hadn't

2071
01:32:57,220 --> 01:32:55,160
gone off and into retirement will

2072
01:33:01,180 --> 01:32:57,230
private life of quiet contemplation and

2073
01:33:04,420 --> 01:33:01,190
so they're fully employed and so the

2074
01:33:07,930 --> 01:33:04,430
rough fellow initiative who is going to

2075
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:07,940
take old and they're a lot of people i

2076
01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:10,130
think in Congress that would like to see

2077
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:12,760
that fleshed out in a hearing process so

2078
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:15,230
that's the two most important areas of

2079
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:18,350
testimony for the PERT for the person

2080
01:33:22,060 --> 01:33:20,330
that apartment that is unfamiliar with

2081
01:33:25,930 --> 01:33:22,070
the Rockefeller initiative can you

2082
01:33:29,050 --> 01:33:25,940
explain that please well the truth

2083
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:29,060
embargo was not going to end a lot of

2084
01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:32,560
coal overs underway there was no way we

2085
01:33:37,330 --> 01:33:34,820
must catch the terrestrials force

2086
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:37,340
tonight once the crew were ended the

2087
01:33:43,180 --> 01:33:40,190
major barrier to ending truth embargo

2088
01:33:46,690 --> 01:33:43,190
also went away now there are still other

2089
01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:46,700
barriers other issues but the door was

2090
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:48,270
open and

2091
01:33:55,730 --> 01:33:52,080
on paper that would have been the time

2092
01:34:00,200 --> 01:33:55,740
shortly after the war ended year or so

2093
01:34:03,620 --> 01:34:00,210
to go ahead and make it out laurance

2094
01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:03,630
rockefeller one of those sons father

2095
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:07,140
david brother in Penang Nelson bronze

2096
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:08,760
Rockefellers a billionaire but he was a

2097
01:34:13,850 --> 01:34:11,130
very progressive person he was involved

2098
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:13,860
in environmental issues and other issues

2099
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:16,020
with and he had supported researchers

2100
01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:18,930
like John map in a circle Laurance

2101
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:23,820
Rockefeller duties and so about two

2102
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:27,840
months after Clinton and enter the right

2103
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:31,800
house he began what we now call a

2104
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:34,530
Rockefeller initiative and meaning the

2105
01:34:38,620 --> 01:34:36,090
first meeting was held after a letter

2106
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:38,630
was sent first meetings held I believe

2107
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:40,980
I'm not possible the wing was marched

2108
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,970
23rd 1993 Rockefeller was there John

2109
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:47,040
Gibbons the head of science office was

2110
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:49,050
there and then Rockefeller had within

2111
01:34:54,230 --> 01:34:52,500
his attorney Henry diamond and also the

2112
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:54,240
head of the human potential foundation

2113
01:35:03,410 --> 01:34:59,280
Rockefellers foundation see me Scott

2114
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:03,420
Jones Air Force intelligence and they

2115
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:07,110
met to discuss Rockefellers Apple desire

2116
01:35:11,450 --> 01:35:08,790
to get a letter to Clinton as well as a

2117
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:11,460
report into Clinton making a case that

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01:35:14,690 --> 01:35:13,050
Clinton sir release all of the UFO files

2119
01:35:18,260 --> 01:35:14,700
in the government hands all of them and

2120
01:35:20,170 --> 01:35:18,270
also amnesty for witnesses that we come

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01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:20,180
forward from within the government

2122
01:35:24,580 --> 01:35:22,320
Gibbons didn't really want anything to

2123
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:24,590
do with it but when Rockefeller

2124
01:35:27,740 --> 01:35:26,340
mentioned that he was thinking about

2125
01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:27,750
putting an ad in every American

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newspaper about 5,000 cost about 30

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million bucks oh they changed their mind

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and so off they went and there were

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meetings at the you know a bunch of

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researchers met at the Rockefellers

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ranch to discuss strategy Hillary

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Brooklyn

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met with in- this was part of your

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01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:50,560
discussion Thank You 95 there was a

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01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:52,570
report was meanings a lot this one on

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and we know this because we have a

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01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,060
thousand pages of documents and prove it

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that's the Rockefeller initiative now by

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late nineteen ninety-six Rockefeller

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display told was slipping and dementia

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Clinton was tied down by endless

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ceaseless attacks from the right among

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against him his wife his brother his

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sister is an example the cats the dogs

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everything and so it didn't happen

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01:36:24,030 --> 01:36:21,850
whatever Clinton's intentions were in a

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second term that all grew up with Monica

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Lewinsky a new feature so they contained

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01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,590
it but nevertheless it went on for three

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years that's the Rockefeller initiative

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not only tell you if it wasn't for the

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01:36:40,350 --> 01:36:38,310
truth embargo a billionaire Rockefeller

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01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:40,360
walking in the White House trying to get

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01:36:44,669 --> 01:36:42,100
the present to release files from the US

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01:36:46,350 --> 01:36:44,679
government files is this news it's big

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01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:46,360
news it's political fodder it's

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everything and nothing there's a one or

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01:36:52,919 --> 01:36:50,350
two articles written early on

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01:36:55,020 --> 01:36:52,929
disappeared right away nothing because

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again this issue is in a place of its

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01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,920
own and so they did it they then walked

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01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:01,600
away from it and they hope that nothing

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01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:03,670
would come from it then and then they

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01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:07,360
started some new strategies in 2002 with

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the beste so there is a game going on

2166
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:13,210
about this behind the scenes that

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01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:16,110
involves the Democratic Party in close

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01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:18,610
they've played pretty much this game on

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01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:22,270
their own terms for 20 years now and now

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01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:24,190
we're going to very soon have to play it

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01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:29,679
on our terms very good now a question up

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01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:32,290
on the message board another one is was

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01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:34,270
there any reaction after you sent out

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01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:39,760
all those dvds no we had no responses

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and one of the reasons was is that I

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01:37:47,850 --> 01:37:45,250
knew I mean the members were not in town

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01:37:49,770 --> 01:37:47,860
they were home but I was going to follow

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01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:49,780
up with meeting or class and try to work

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01:37:57,150 --> 01:37:53,679
some of the staffers during the intro

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01:37:59,160 --> 01:37:57,160
into women between the election and the

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01:38:00,720 --> 01:37:59,170
the congress in january third what

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01:38:02,850 --> 01:38:00,730
happened was things got delayed some

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01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:02,860
more and then he had all these crises

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01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:07,840
overseas Oh Stefan and so I didn't make

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01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:11,410
a move until january three so we didn't

2186
01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:14,950
get responses there I had to put in

2187
01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:16,720
several requests for meetings and then

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01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,820
of course we had serious articles we'd

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01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:21,040
have it took Podesta tweet and I were at

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01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:25,860
least we fertilize the soil so that by

2191
01:38:31,290 --> 01:38:29,710
about January 10 2015 things the plant

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01:38:35,340 --> 01:38:31,300
started to grow the crops start to grow

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01:38:36,450 --> 01:38:35,350
and now things are speeding up so the

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01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:36,460
thing that it's generated the most

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01:38:45,650 --> 01:38:40,990
response was in fact the article mm-hmm

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01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:45,660
in the roll call he's been I'm sure yeah

2197
01:38:49,710 --> 01:38:47,830
someone wanted to know if you've ever

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01:38:53,070 --> 01:38:49,720
thought about distributing some of them

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01:38:55,050 --> 01:38:53,080
in the UK or any other you know I I

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01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:55,060
understand earlier you answered that

2201
01:38:59,130 --> 01:38:56,710
question mostly that yours you're

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01:39:01,100 --> 01:38:59,140
sticking to the US you know that's your

2203
01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:01,110
thing but have you considered

2204
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:03,670
distributing to other countries or have

2205
01:39:08,430 --> 01:39:06,610
you well anybody can go to Citizen

2206
01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:08,440
hearing battle of website and they can

2207
01:39:14,730 --> 01:39:12,220
purchase the commercial version of this

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01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:14,740
DVD set the commercial version of the

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01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:18,610
video record and steer they can take a

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01:39:23,820 --> 01:39:20,440
biggin buy it for a six-month period a

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01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,830
combined prominently and I think pretty

2212
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:25,600
soon the dvds are going to be available

2213
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:27,310
and you can buy them so they're

2214
01:39:32,340 --> 01:39:30,370
available anybody in the world marketed

2215
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:32,350
that they are downloadable now anybody

2216
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:33,850
the world and their dvds will be

2217
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:37,360
available to a cool so we're going to

2218
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:41,440
get it out there uh-huh someone on the

2219
01:39:46,850 --> 01:39:42,490
message board said you ought to

2220
01:39:51,690 --> 01:39:46,860
projected on the capital a big projector

2221
01:39:56,370 --> 01:39:51,700
now honorable Paul Hellyer was one of

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01:39:59,730 --> 01:39:56,380
the people at your that and what was the

2223
01:40:03,390 --> 01:39:59,740
overall a reaction to what he had to say

2224
01:40:07,460 --> 01:40:03,400
now how you got probably more published

2225
01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:07,470
in terms of web terms of

2226
01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:11,000
call for anybody who was very

2227
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:13,140
significant to have a former defense

2228
01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:17,880
minister of the neighborhood is a

2229
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:23,460
post-effective Canada's in there uh he

2230
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:25,830
you know he's been a number of years

2231
01:40:31,670 --> 01:40:29,730
since he was in that role he's old but

2232
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:31,680
he's in great shape I mean this man is

2233
01:40:37,130 --> 01:40:36,090
like 90 going on 55 so you know but

2234
01:40:39,980 --> 01:40:37,140
there have been other high-level people

2235
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:39,990
that are spoken on this issue but

2236
01:40:45,230 --> 01:40:42,690
they're passed away Admiral or

2237
01:40:47,690 --> 01:40:45,240
hillmorton of the British who actually

2238
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:47,700
ran a virgin military made some very

2239
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:51,150
strong statement but that was then they

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01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:52,830
didn't go anywhere because it was cold

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01:40:57,650 --> 01:40:56,280
war time so yes you can be assured that

2242
01:41:00,760 --> 01:40:57,660
Paul Hellyer would be one of the

2243
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:00,770
Congressional hearings when we get there

2244
01:41:08,180 --> 01:41:04,290
now I noticed I was at the UFO Congress

2245
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:08,190
last week and I noticed that a majority

2246
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:12,780
of the attendees out there were older so

2247
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:16,590
no is that the case also with people

2248
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,320
behind this it just you don't see a lot

2249
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:20,880
of young people i mean there are some

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01:41:25,670 --> 01:41:23,490
yes but not the percentage is low what

2251
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:25,680
are you finding you see any of that the

2252
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:30,000
issue on its face does not have direct

2253
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:31,890
impact on the lives of a

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01:41:36,380 --> 01:41:34,440
sixteen-year-old or an 18 year old or 20

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01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:36,390
year old it does it that age you you're

2256
01:41:44,210 --> 01:41:39,920
interested in finding us a wife husband

2257
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:44,220
career enjoying yourself and this issue

2258
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:45,810
doesn't have a media impact it will

2259
01:41:51,020 --> 01:41:47,940
ultimately impact their lives greatly so

2260
01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:51,030
the people that are the building

2261
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:52,140
sponsors are the ones that have been

2262
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:54,600
following it they're her life I mean you

2263
01:42:01,160 --> 01:41:57,320
know if you're my age I'm 68 I was born

2264
01:42:05,150 --> 01:42:01,170
about some eight months before Roswell

2265
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:05,160
I've lived my whole life during the ET

2266
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:11,250
era those the matter ET era and so these

2267
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:12,840
people have obviously had all these

2268
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,300
decades to get rid of it and follow

2269
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:17,280
early and so they're the ones that have

2270
01:42:19,340 --> 01:42:18,480
the interest or the ones that come to

2271
01:42:22,140 --> 01:42:19,350
these com

2272
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:22,150
obviously the age the age average is

2273
01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:26,110
dropping means dropping you see more but

2274
01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:30,160
I don't expect that to change much after

2275
01:42:41,070 --> 01:42:34,710
disclosure however haha trust me

2276
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:41,080
Millennials will be on fire hmm let's

2277
01:42:47,490 --> 01:42:44,530
see there's a this is this is from the

2278
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:47,500
board of the it's not directly for me

2279
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:51,760
but I understand Charles Hall how it's

2280
01:42:56,730 --> 01:42:54,370
always kind of controversial to say the

2281
01:42:59,760 --> 01:42:56,740
least did that do you think that

2282
01:43:03,390 --> 01:42:59,770
affected your of the hearing at all

2283
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,400
having him there Charles Hall is it

2284
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:05,440
Charles halt the one you thought you've

2285
01:43:10,260 --> 01:43:07,750
got Colonel holds oh yeah I'm not sure

2286
01:43:13,170 --> 01:43:10,270
no was it they're not not halal scar was

2287
01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:13,180
doing III think there's two names being

2288
01:43:18,060 --> 01:43:16,390
mixed up here Hall H a ll I can't

2289
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:18,070
remember his first name yeah there was

2290
01:43:23,190 --> 01:43:20,710
no hall there now if you don't know as

2291
01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,200
it happens Paul Hellyer the third to

2292
01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:25,960
Charles Wallace Testament yeah he's

2293
01:43:31,110 --> 01:43:29,380
Evans in the tall whites typos I'm

2294
01:43:33,150 --> 01:43:31,120
trying to think of the one that does the

2295
01:43:35,070 --> 01:43:33,160
tall blondes or whatever it is the

2296
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,080
following since Charles fall he was not

2297
01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:37,600
there he was not there okay okay I think

2298
01:43:41,150 --> 01:43:39,490
there was some confusion about think

2299
01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:41,160
you're talking about the Citizen hearing

2300
01:43:50,250 --> 01:43:45,490
yes right correct okay we have about a

2301
01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:50,260
minute minute left here Steve so why

2302
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:51,580
don't you go ahead and get up give out

2303
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:55,210
all your information well if you want to

2304
01:43:59,850 --> 01:43:57,970
find out what the you only want to get

2305
01:44:02,370 --> 01:43:59,860
up to speed on the west i'm hearing

2306
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:02,380
initiative just go to the p orgies main

2307
01:44:07,860 --> 01:44:04,360
site paradigm and research group tour

2308
01:44:12,630 --> 01:44:07,870
and there's a big graphic is click on it

2309
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:12,640
a graphic take you right to the c CH I

2310
01:44:16,860 --> 01:44:15,370
page you can see the community cover as

2311
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:16,870
you can see the interview schedule you

2312
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:19,120
can also see the press releases and so

2313
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:23,650
forth the Citizen hearing home pages to

2314
01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:26,290
Citizen hearing dork there you can buy

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01:44:30,850 --> 01:44:29,680
downloads of the entire summer parts of

2316
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:30,860
or the entire

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01:44:35,379 --> 01:44:32,690
Citizen hearing on disclosure commercial

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01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:35,389
quality guys realized so funny DVD

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01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:37,580
alright I'm sorry we gotta we gotta

2320
01:44:41,290 --> 01:44:39,170
close the show Steve thank you so much

2321
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,300
it's been a real pleasure look forward

2322
01:44:46,510 --> 01:44:43,520
to being back very good I'll talk to you

2323
01:44:47,709 --> 01:44:46,520
soon so that's it for the show and if

2324
01:44:49,450 --> 01:44:47,719
you're listening this fire that means

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01:44:51,340 --> 01:44:49,460
you're a dollar a month or more

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01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:51,350
supporter and I thank you very much for

2327
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:54,050
helping us out I want to thank everyone

2328
01:44:58,899 --> 01:44:56,330
for helping us also with the show today

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01:45:01,629 --> 01:44:58,909
and that's Alejandro Rojas with the news

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01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:01,639
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2331
01:45:07,780 --> 01:45:04,880
for the music and I want to thank our

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two guests and that is Lori Hines and

2333
01:45:12,939 --> 01:45:11,119
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